1 00:00:34,709 --> 00:00:32,229 [Music] 2 00:00:37,350 --> 00:00:34,719 hello hello hello everyone welcome back 3 00:00:39,830 --> 00:00:37,360 to the disclosure team youtube channel 4 00:00:41,190 --> 00:00:39,840 it's very good to be here and without 5 00:00:43,030 --> 00:00:41,200 further ado i'm just going to bring my 6 00:00:45,190 --> 00:00:43,040 guest straight in um i've been really 7 00:00:45,910 --> 00:00:45,200 looking forward to this conversation 8 00:00:49,110 --> 00:00:45,920 so 9 00:00:50,869 --> 00:00:49,120 guys please welcome mr carl vibe 10 00:00:52,790 --> 00:00:50,879 hey carl how's it going brother doing 11 00:00:54,310 --> 00:00:52,800 good vinnie how you doing my friend yeah 12 00:00:56,069 --> 00:00:54,320 i'm doing really well man thank you so 13 00:00:57,830 --> 00:00:56,079 much for joining me today 14 00:00:59,590 --> 00:00:57,840 awesome yeah it's good to be here i've 15 00:01:02,630 --> 00:00:59,600 been watching your uh show for a little 16 00:01:04,630 --> 00:01:02,640 while you've had some top-notch a-list 17 00:01:06,789 --> 00:01:04,640 uh guests and interviews on here man 18 00:01:08,630 --> 00:01:06,799 it's been really impressive and so uh 19 00:01:11,030 --> 00:01:08,640 here i come in bringing up the caboose 20 00:01:13,109 --> 00:01:11,040 maybe somewhere in the middle uh talking 21 00:01:14,710 --> 00:01:13,119 about alternative things and stuff so 22 00:01:16,469 --> 00:01:14,720 we'll see where i fit into the mix of 23 00:01:17,830 --> 00:01:16,479 all these awesome guests that you've had 24 00:01:19,510 --> 00:01:17,840 on the show but i appreciate you having 25 00:01:22,070 --> 00:01:19,520 me on here hey listen i appreciate the 26 00:01:23,670 --> 00:01:22,080 kind words but you are by no means any 27 00:01:25,270 --> 00:01:23,680 less important than any of the people 28 00:01:26,710 --> 00:01:25,280 that i've had on this channel um i 29 00:01:28,710 --> 00:01:26,720 mentioned this to you just before we 30 00:01:30,870 --> 00:01:28,720 came on that i'm now starting to look at 31 00:01:33,190 --> 00:01:30,880 other aspects of this field i've been 32 00:01:34,310 --> 00:01:33,200 researching ufos for about a decade now 33 00:01:37,990 --> 00:01:34,320 and 34 00:01:39,670 --> 00:01:38,000 perspective 35 00:01:40,550 --> 00:01:39,680 and i feel that 36 00:01:42,469 --> 00:01:40,560 just 37 00:01:44,710 --> 00:01:42,479 being that sort of tunnel vision in one 38 00:01:46,710 --> 00:01:44,720 area is not doing me any justice i felt 39 00:01:48,630 --> 00:01:46,720 like i needed to expand my horizons a 40 00:01:49,990 --> 00:01:48,640 bit so being able to speak to people 41 00:01:51,910 --> 00:01:50,000 like yourself i think is really 42 00:01:54,069 --> 00:01:51,920 important in me gaining more knowledge 43 00:01:56,389 --> 00:01:54,079 and things like that that may relate to 44 00:01:57,429 --> 00:01:56,399 the subjects so um yeah it means a lot 45 00:01:59,190 --> 00:01:57,439 thank you 46 00:02:02,149 --> 00:01:59,200 yeah absolutely i kind of grew up with a 47 00:02:04,709 --> 00:02:02,159 weird mix of it to where i wasn't 48 00:02:06,630 --> 00:02:04,719 opposed to like the nuts and bolts side 49 00:02:09,910 --> 00:02:06,640 of it you know the scientific side of it 50 00:02:12,150 --> 00:02:09,920 but i was raised very kind of like uh 51 00:02:14,309 --> 00:02:12,160 isolated conservative very religious 52 00:02:15,750 --> 00:02:14,319 upbringing and so the spiritual side of 53 00:02:17,670 --> 00:02:15,760 life was more 54 00:02:19,589 --> 00:02:17,680 prevalent to me i was more focused on 55 00:02:21,830 --> 00:02:19,599 the spiritual aspect even as a kid 56 00:02:23,350 --> 00:02:21,840 growing up and the scientific stuff was 57 00:02:26,229 --> 00:02:23,360 more just kind of like i will explain 58 00:02:27,750 --> 00:02:26,239 that spiritually later but uh all that's 59 00:02:29,670 --> 00:02:27,760 flipped on its head now that i've kind 60 00:02:31,670 --> 00:02:29,680 of left organized religion 61 00:02:33,589 --> 00:02:31,680 trying to piece together 62 00:02:35,830 --> 00:02:33,599 how does the how does the science and 63 00:02:37,990 --> 00:02:35,840 the nature of actual reality fit with 64 00:02:40,309 --> 00:02:38,000 the with the spiritual 65 00:02:41,990 --> 00:02:40,319 realm or these the phenomenon and what's 66 00:02:43,990 --> 00:02:42,000 actually occurring or what has happened 67 00:02:46,150 --> 00:02:44,000 in my life how do i how do i put all 68 00:02:48,309 --> 00:02:46,160 this together into something that that 69 00:02:50,869 --> 00:02:48,319 fits so that i can be sane and not feel 70 00:02:53,030 --> 00:02:50,879 like a crazy person so yeah so did you 71 00:02:54,550 --> 00:02:53,040 grow up like with any kind of spiritual 72 00:02:57,030 --> 00:02:54,560 background or anything or did you just 73 00:02:59,030 --> 00:02:57,040 come up through public school and yeah 74 00:03:01,430 --> 00:02:59,040 science and just straight up physics and 75 00:03:03,270 --> 00:03:01,440 all that stuff absolutely yeah 76 00:03:05,350 --> 00:03:03,280 no religious people in my family 77 00:03:07,509 --> 00:03:05,360 whatsoever we didn't go to church there 78 00:03:09,190 --> 00:03:07,519 was no bibles in the house there was 79 00:03:11,190 --> 00:03:09,200 there was nothing and 80 00:03:12,470 --> 00:03:11,200 it's not that my parents didn't believe 81 00:03:13,750 --> 00:03:12,480 or anything like that it just wasn't a 82 00:03:15,270 --> 00:03:13,760 part of their lives you know they were 83 00:03:18,790 --> 00:03:15,280 busy both had sort of full-time 84 00:03:21,030 --> 00:03:18,800 high-pressure corporate jobs and yeah 85 00:03:22,470 --> 00:03:21,040 public school 86 00:03:24,949 --> 00:03:22,480 nothing really taught there as far as 87 00:03:27,270 --> 00:03:24,959 religion goes so it took me until 88 00:03:29,509 --> 00:03:27,280 my late teens and 89 00:03:31,350 --> 00:03:29,519 meeting people out partying who kind of 90 00:03:33,190 --> 00:03:31,360 had that spiritual side to them where i 91 00:03:34,710 --> 00:03:33,200 really started saying hey 92 00:03:36,390 --> 00:03:34,720 what is this i you know i find it quite 93 00:03:37,830 --> 00:03:36,400 interesting and stuff so 94 00:03:39,830 --> 00:03:37,840 yeah you know i did touch upon it 95 00:03:42,550 --> 00:03:39,840 briefly you know through that kind of 96 00:03:44,229 --> 00:03:42,560 party scene um 97 00:03:48,550 --> 00:03:44,239 you know psychedelics and things like 98 00:03:50,789 --> 00:03:48,560 that which was great many years ago now 99 00:03:53,270 --> 00:03:50,799 i kind of left it behind it you know 10 100 00:03:54,550 --> 00:03:53,280 15 years ago so 101 00:03:56,149 --> 00:03:54,560 i think that's why it's always been 102 00:03:56,949 --> 00:03:56,159 there somewhere locked in the back of my 103 00:03:58,710 --> 00:03:56,959 head 104 00:04:00,309 --> 00:03:58,720 so i figured yeah let's let's bring that 105 00:04:03,429 --> 00:04:00,319 back to the forefront and see how i can 106 00:04:04,630 --> 00:04:03,439 relate it to the ufos subject really 107 00:04:06,710 --> 00:04:04,640 um 108 00:04:08,149 --> 00:04:06,720 so yeah so your background 109 00:04:09,990 --> 00:04:08,159 yeah can you dive into that a little bit 110 00:04:11,910 --> 00:04:10,000 deeper just about you know it sounds 111 00:04:14,949 --> 00:04:11,920 very different to what i've known so 112 00:04:17,670 --> 00:04:14,959 yeah yeah um yeah i'll give you a little 113 00:04:21,030 --> 00:04:17,680 rundown so yeah i grew up very um in a 114 00:04:23,270 --> 00:04:21,040 small mormon community uh basically 115 00:04:24,950 --> 00:04:23,280 everybody in the town was a member of 116 00:04:26,310 --> 00:04:24,960 the church of jesus christ of latter-day 117 00:04:28,950 --> 00:04:26,320 saints that's the full name of the 118 00:04:30,790 --> 00:04:28,960 church the nickname is mormonism brandon 119 00:04:32,230 --> 00:04:30,800 fugle the owner of skinwalker ranch he's 120 00:04:34,230 --> 00:04:32,240 an active 121 00:04:36,310 --> 00:04:34,240 member of that church as well i left the 122 00:04:37,990 --> 00:04:36,320 church about four years ago just with 123 00:04:40,150 --> 00:04:38,000 different philosophical and spiritual 124 00:04:42,230 --> 00:04:40,160 differences with the organization 125 00:04:44,469 --> 00:04:42,240 but i did grow up with that whole 126 00:04:47,110 --> 00:04:44,479 background so 127 00:04:50,230 --> 00:04:47,120 i i grew up with this idea that there's 128 00:04:52,310 --> 00:04:50,240 this overlaid overlapping spiritual 129 00:04:54,230 --> 00:04:52,320 dimension to reality like your your 130 00:04:55,670 --> 00:04:54,240 ancestors are all around you like your 131 00:04:57,670 --> 00:04:55,680 angels or 132 00:04:59,909 --> 00:04:57,680 you know your even your if you're gonna 133 00:05:02,710 --> 00:04:59,919 have kids or grandkids someday in the 134 00:05:04,469 --> 00:05:02,720 future their unborn spirit entities and 135 00:05:06,629 --> 00:05:04,479 consciousness could even be around you 136 00:05:08,390 --> 00:05:06,639 influencing you as well as all these 137 00:05:10,070 --> 00:05:08,400 like higher dimensional beings like the 138 00:05:13,029 --> 00:05:10,080 deities and angels and all that kind of 139 00:05:15,590 --> 00:05:13,039 stuff plus you know mormon history and 140 00:05:17,830 --> 00:05:15,600 the foundations of it are very occult in 141 00:05:19,909 --> 00:05:17,840 nature we're talking about people you 142 00:05:22,150 --> 00:05:19,919 know the founders of the religion using 143 00:05:24,150 --> 00:05:22,160 magic seer stones and kind of occult 144 00:05:26,150 --> 00:05:24,160 rituals and things in order to find some 145 00:05:28,310 --> 00:05:26,160 of the early artifacts that caused the 146 00:05:30,550 --> 00:05:28,320 foundations of the church and a lot of 147 00:05:32,790 --> 00:05:30,560 that kind of gets covered up with a 148 00:05:35,110 --> 00:05:32,800 christian frosting 149 00:05:37,590 --> 00:05:35,120 but it is very kind of uh 150 00:05:39,430 --> 00:05:37,600 a cult in nature actually and so when i 151 00:05:41,990 --> 00:05:39,440 left the 152 00:05:43,430 --> 00:05:42,000 the religion fast forwarding uh 153 00:05:44,950 --> 00:05:43,440 years later 154 00:05:46,469 --> 00:05:44,960 yeah picking all those pieces up and 155 00:05:47,590 --> 00:05:46,479 trying to understand 156 00:05:49,670 --> 00:05:47,600 kind of the 157 00:05:51,189 --> 00:05:49,680 ritualistic nature to the phenomenon the 158 00:05:54,070 --> 00:05:51,199 occult connection to it throughout 159 00:05:55,830 --> 00:05:54,080 history the ancient aliens connection 160 00:05:57,590 --> 00:05:55,840 bring it all up to science and all that 161 00:05:59,749 --> 00:05:57,600 but yeah i grew up 162 00:06:01,590 --> 00:05:59,759 um with everything going through that 163 00:06:03,510 --> 00:06:01,600 religious filter so 164 00:06:05,029 --> 00:06:03,520 even if something came out in the news 165 00:06:06,870 --> 00:06:05,039 scientifically it was like well how does 166 00:06:08,469 --> 00:06:06,880 this fit in to the faith that we the 167 00:06:10,790 --> 00:06:08,479 belief system that we already know is 168 00:06:11,990 --> 00:06:10,800 true it has to fit in there somehow so 169 00:06:13,909 --> 00:06:12,000 how do we 170 00:06:15,430 --> 00:06:13,919 take this a square peg and pound it 171 00:06:17,029 --> 00:06:15,440 through this round hole and make it work 172 00:06:19,510 --> 00:06:17,039 through this spiritual lens so 173 00:06:21,430 --> 00:06:19,520 everything from my perspective was 174 00:06:24,469 --> 00:06:21,440 kind of like reality was a spiritual 175 00:06:26,150 --> 00:06:24,479 dimension and the illusion of reality is 176 00:06:28,390 --> 00:06:26,160 the physical side of it or like we're 177 00:06:30,629 --> 00:06:28,400 temporarily here in a physical body so i 178 00:06:32,710 --> 00:06:30,639 think i was kind of predispositioned in 179 00:06:34,390 --> 00:06:32,720 my upbringing to 180 00:06:36,710 --> 00:06:34,400 look at things a little bit more 181 00:06:38,309 --> 00:06:36,720 dimensionally different to look for the 182 00:06:40,870 --> 00:06:38,319 spirit realm or to 183 00:06:43,270 --> 00:06:40,880 uh go through life uh with the 184 00:06:45,430 --> 00:06:43,280 connection with my soul and enter the 185 00:06:47,430 --> 00:06:45,440 inner voices and conversation going on 186 00:06:49,670 --> 00:06:47,440 and kind of how that plays into the 187 00:06:50,309 --> 00:06:49,680 nature of human consciousness but i yeah 188 00:06:53,670 --> 00:06:50,319 i 189 00:06:55,589 --> 00:06:53,680 very small town 190 00:06:57,110 --> 00:06:55,599 very filtered through that so all my 191 00:06:59,350 --> 00:06:57,120 friends the whole community the whole 192 00:07:01,110 --> 00:06:59,360 neighborhood uh all the way up through 193 00:07:02,950 --> 00:07:01,120 high school and everything was 194 00:07:04,230 --> 00:07:02,960 completely with that mindset 195 00:07:09,110 --> 00:07:04,240 uh 196 00:07:11,589 --> 00:07:09,120 church and everything so i was full in 197 00:07:13,670 --> 00:07:11,599 like it was completely true uh but i 198 00:07:16,390 --> 00:07:13,680 also grew up kind of with a different 199 00:07:18,710 --> 00:07:16,400 father so he was in the military he was 200 00:07:20,950 --> 00:07:18,720 actually had really uh had a 201 00:07:22,790 --> 00:07:20,960 level of clearance in the military uh 202 00:07:24,550 --> 00:07:22,800 they call cosmic clearance which is like 203 00:07:27,029 --> 00:07:24,560 a nato level of clearance above top 204 00:07:29,029 --> 00:07:27,039 secret wow and even though he was a 205 00:07:30,870 --> 00:07:29,039 mormon he used to always ask me weird 206 00:07:33,029 --> 00:07:30,880 questions all the time he'd be like what 207 00:07:35,510 --> 00:07:33,039 if what if jesus came back and returned 208 00:07:37,990 --> 00:07:35,520 but he showed up on a spaceship or like 209 00:07:40,230 --> 00:07:38,000 what if uh what if spaceships came and 210 00:07:42,150 --> 00:07:40,240 and we found out that all what all the 211 00:07:45,110 --> 00:07:42,160 religions were teaching actually was 212 00:07:46,309 --> 00:07:45,120 aliens and that we were their food or 213 00:07:47,830 --> 00:07:46,319 something like that you know we were 214 00:07:51,830 --> 00:07:47,840 like 215 00:07:53,510 --> 00:07:51,840 chickens that lay eggs and that we would 216 00:07:54,869 --> 00:07:53,520 yes you know what would you do or how 217 00:07:57,270 --> 00:07:54,879 would you know and see who would always 218 00:07:59,670 --> 00:07:57,280 propose these philosophical questions to 219 00:08:01,029 --> 00:07:59,680 me even as a a teenager and stuff and he 220 00:08:02,390 --> 00:08:01,039 would like to talk to me about these 221 00:08:04,070 --> 00:08:02,400 things but uh 222 00:08:06,150 --> 00:08:04,080 um so i always had that kind of 223 00:08:06,950 --> 00:08:06,160 alternative perspective about reality in 224 00:08:08,950 --> 00:08:06,960 life 225 00:08:10,869 --> 00:08:08,960 probably growing up with that 226 00:08:12,790 --> 00:08:10,879 so it wouldn't have surprised me to see 227 00:08:15,589 --> 00:08:12,800 a ufo to just fit it right into the 228 00:08:18,390 --> 00:08:15,599 belief system and the religion but as i 229 00:08:20,309 --> 00:08:18,400 have had paranormal encounters and 230 00:08:22,469 --> 00:08:20,319 experiences 231 00:08:24,390 --> 00:08:22,479 seeing things in the sky or paranormal 232 00:08:27,909 --> 00:08:24,400 experiences throughout my life that has 233 00:08:30,309 --> 00:08:27,919 kind of unraveled the organized 234 00:08:32,070 --> 00:08:30,319 religion and even the scientific side of 235 00:08:33,909 --> 00:08:32,080 reality a little bit 236 00:08:36,149 --> 00:08:33,919 to try and understand what the hell is 237 00:08:38,550 --> 00:08:36,159 really going on here how do we really 238 00:08:41,509 --> 00:08:38,560 explain this not trying to fit it into 239 00:08:43,509 --> 00:08:41,519 anything but just looking at it 240 00:08:44,790 --> 00:08:43,519 and using deduction and just trying to 241 00:08:46,310 --> 00:08:44,800 really 242 00:08:47,590 --> 00:08:46,320 be true to the experience of what's 243 00:08:49,509 --> 00:08:47,600 happening and looking at all the 244 00:08:51,509 --> 00:08:49,519 information so yeah i've gone all the 245 00:08:53,269 --> 00:08:51,519 way up through my life with that door 246 00:08:55,350 --> 00:08:53,279 wide open for this to be a possible 247 00:08:57,670 --> 00:08:55,360 thing but i've always tried to force fit 248 00:08:59,350 --> 00:08:57,680 it into the religious perspective until 249 00:09:01,269 --> 00:08:59,360 probably the last four or five years 250 00:09:03,910 --> 00:09:01,279 when i've appealed all that back which 251 00:09:06,470 --> 00:09:03,920 has opened a whole bunch of new 252 00:09:08,550 --> 00:09:06,480 philosophical possibilities for me 253 00:09:10,790 --> 00:09:08,560 yeah but i think it's opened those same 254 00:09:12,550 --> 00:09:10,800 possibilities up to the people on the 255 00:09:14,790 --> 00:09:12,560 other side in the science side people 256 00:09:16,230 --> 00:09:14,800 like myself and many others because 257 00:09:17,829 --> 00:09:16,240 we've seen it you know even in the last 258 00:09:19,910 --> 00:09:17,839 six months that 259 00:09:22,470 --> 00:09:19,920 it does it just seems like nobody really 260 00:09:24,389 --> 00:09:22,480 knows what these things are yet or not 261 00:09:27,670 --> 00:09:24,399 not what all of these things are you 262 00:09:29,910 --> 00:09:27,680 know the the whole um 263 00:09:32,150 --> 00:09:29,920 extraterrestrial hypothesis has now been 264 00:09:34,230 --> 00:09:32,160 joined by the crypto-terrestrial the 265 00:09:36,870 --> 00:09:34,240 ultra-terrestrial the inter-dimensional 266 00:09:39,030 --> 00:09:36,880 so many possibilities and it's talked 267 00:09:40,870 --> 00:09:39,040 about now that i find more than it has 268 00:09:42,470 --> 00:09:40,880 been in many years 269 00:09:44,790 --> 00:09:42,480 have you is that something you you feel 270 00:09:46,790 --> 00:09:44,800 as well yeah i kind of came across some 271 00:09:49,509 --> 00:09:46,800 of the work like it's been talked about 272 00:09:51,190 --> 00:09:49,519 for a while actually john keel he wrote 273 00:09:53,750 --> 00:09:51,200 them he's famous for the mothman 274 00:09:55,910 --> 00:09:53,760 prophecies and he you know he termed the 275 00:09:57,550 --> 00:09:55,920 phrase like ultra-terrestrials 276 00:09:59,590 --> 00:09:57,560 this new one i've been hearing is 277 00:10:02,710 --> 00:09:59,600 intrafrequential beings 278 00:10:04,870 --> 00:10:02,720 or interfequential dimensions uh which 279 00:10:06,630 --> 00:10:04,880 is really fascinating i think that 280 00:10:09,430 --> 00:10:06,640 instead of ultra-terrestrials i think 281 00:10:11,750 --> 00:10:09,440 inter-frequencial in-between frequencies 282 00:10:12,710 --> 00:10:11,760 or alternate frequency entities or 283 00:10:14,389 --> 00:10:12,720 beings 284 00:10:16,550 --> 00:10:14,399 sounds more plausible to me 285 00:10:17,509 --> 00:10:16,560 ultra-terrestrial sounds 286 00:10:19,829 --> 00:10:17,519 uh 287 00:10:21,269 --> 00:10:19,839 too phenomenal and also kind of cuts out 288 00:10:22,949 --> 00:10:21,279 the possibility of them being 289 00:10:24,150 --> 00:10:22,959 extraterrestrials which i think it's 290 00:10:25,590 --> 00:10:24,160 probably 291 00:10:28,230 --> 00:10:25,600 if you use rational deduction there 292 00:10:30,630 --> 00:10:28,240 probably is actual nuts and bolts crafts 293 00:10:32,870 --> 00:10:30,640 there probably are 294 00:10:34,949 --> 00:10:32,880 spaceships or interdimensional ships 295 00:10:35,829 --> 00:10:34,959 that are coming from other planets out 296 00:10:37,590 --> 00:10:35,839 there 297 00:10:39,509 --> 00:10:37,600 in the universe and then even in our 298 00:10:40,310 --> 00:10:39,519 galaxy and things like that 299 00:10:42,470 --> 00:10:40,320 um 300 00:10:43,990 --> 00:10:42,480 it's definitely possible 301 00:10:46,389 --> 00:10:44,000 and probably going on and they've 302 00:10:49,430 --> 00:10:46,399 probably come and visited but it's 303 00:10:51,430 --> 00:10:49,440 probably also both there's also 304 00:10:54,310 --> 00:10:51,440 energetic phenomenon going on with the 305 00:10:55,910 --> 00:10:54,320 nature of reality that i think 306 00:10:57,590 --> 00:10:55,920 is fundamental to 307 00:10:59,430 --> 00:10:57,600 the problem of just their basic 308 00:11:01,030 --> 00:10:59,440 understanding of the nature of reality 309 00:11:02,870 --> 00:11:01,040 and i think that's why disclosure is 310 00:11:04,790 --> 00:11:02,880 such a problem it's not just a matter of 311 00:11:06,710 --> 00:11:04,800 saying hey there's extraterrestrials 312 00:11:08,389 --> 00:11:06,720 that came here on a spaceship 313 00:11:09,910 --> 00:11:08,399 and they crashed out in the desert and 314 00:11:12,150 --> 00:11:09,920 we got one of their ships you know and 315 00:11:14,630 --> 00:11:12,160 now we're reverse engineering it could 316 00:11:16,230 --> 00:11:14,640 be a lot more dynamic than that because 317 00:11:18,710 --> 00:11:16,240 it could also 318 00:11:20,470 --> 00:11:18,720 incorporate these what we consider 319 00:11:21,829 --> 00:11:20,480 through religion to be like spirit 320 00:11:23,750 --> 00:11:21,839 realms or 321 00:11:26,470 --> 00:11:23,760 how do we account for ghosts in the 322 00:11:28,630 --> 00:11:26,480 afterlife and how does that all fit into 323 00:11:31,110 --> 00:11:28,640 this because we're talking about 324 00:11:33,110 --> 00:11:31,120 just reality as it is and whether it's 325 00:11:34,069 --> 00:11:33,120 extraterrestrials or other dimensional 326 00:11:41,350 --> 00:11:34,079 beings 327 00:11:45,430 --> 00:11:43,829 trying to just say well what we see is 328 00:11:46,790 --> 00:11:45,440 what we get and it has to fit within 329 00:11:48,870 --> 00:11:46,800 that paradigm 330 00:11:50,230 --> 00:11:48,880 isn't the way to solve this problem and 331 00:11:51,670 --> 00:11:50,240 i don't think you're gonna solve it with 332 00:11:53,350 --> 00:11:51,680 that you're gonna it's gonna require 333 00:11:54,949 --> 00:11:53,360 some alternative 334 00:11:56,949 --> 00:11:54,959 theories and philosophies and 335 00:11:58,710 --> 00:11:56,959 understanding the nature of reality 336 00:12:01,190 --> 00:11:58,720 completely different it might even 337 00:12:03,030 --> 00:12:01,200 require us to forget the idea that 338 00:12:04,629 --> 00:12:03,040 nature is made of this concept of 339 00:12:06,949 --> 00:12:04,639 particles and we might need to go back 340 00:12:09,030 --> 00:12:06,959 to this idea of it being an etheric 341 00:12:11,990 --> 00:12:09,040 field 342 00:12:13,829 --> 00:12:12,000 overcoming the problem of gravity uh 343 00:12:15,750 --> 00:12:13,839 doesn't make any sense unless you go 344 00:12:18,150 --> 00:12:15,760 back to this idea of there being an 345 00:12:21,350 --> 00:12:18,160 ether or like like nikola tesla talked 346 00:12:23,350 --> 00:12:21,360 about so we're talking about disclosure 347 00:12:25,430 --> 00:12:23,360 upending also like 348 00:12:27,750 --> 00:12:25,440 new isaac newton and 349 00:12:29,829 --> 00:12:27,760 einstein's laws and 350 00:12:32,069 --> 00:12:29,839 quantum physics and quantum theories and 351 00:12:34,230 --> 00:12:32,079 everything coming unraveled not just 352 00:12:35,590 --> 00:12:34,240 religion like imagine going to school 353 00:12:37,430 --> 00:12:35,600 and they're like oh you remember every 354 00:12:39,509 --> 00:12:37,440 textbook we wrote about the nature of 355 00:12:41,269 --> 00:12:39,519 photons and particles 356 00:12:43,030 --> 00:12:41,279 yeah those aren't real 357 00:12:44,949 --> 00:12:43,040 there's no such thing as a particle 358 00:12:46,710 --> 00:12:44,959 everything is just a gradient of 359 00:12:49,350 --> 00:12:46,720 electromagnetism 360 00:12:52,310 --> 00:12:49,360 and uh different disruptions of that 361 00:12:54,230 --> 00:12:52,320 in different wave forms but it's 362 00:12:56,470 --> 00:12:54,240 it's very interesting to understand like 363 00:12:59,110 --> 00:12:56,480 how much of this and if these are 364 00:13:01,190 --> 00:12:59,120 physical metal spaceships 365 00:13:02,870 --> 00:13:01,200 how how can we assume that they don't 366 00:13:05,269 --> 00:13:02,880 understand the nature of reality so 367 00:13:06,790 --> 00:13:05,279 whether they would travel and use things 368 00:13:08,949 --> 00:13:06,800 that would appear to us technology that 369 00:13:11,030 --> 00:13:08,959 would appear to us like magic you know 370 00:13:12,550 --> 00:13:11,040 yeah yeah absolutely that's great good 371 00:13:13,670 --> 00:13:12,560 you say that about the physics and stuff 372 00:13:17,430 --> 00:13:13,680 i saw a 373 00:13:18,949 --> 00:13:17,440 night and he was talking about the 374 00:13:20,949 --> 00:13:18,959 physics and he was saying 375 00:13:23,590 --> 00:13:20,959 we might understand it one day if we get 376 00:13:25,829 --> 00:13:23,600 to our final physics he called it which 377 00:13:27,350 --> 00:13:25,839 is going beyond newtonian physics and 378 00:13:29,350 --> 00:13:27,360 einstein and that and so it was good to 379 00:13:31,030 --> 00:13:29,360 see someone like that really realizing 380 00:13:32,069 --> 00:13:31,040 that we're only halfway there or maybe 381 00:13:33,670 --> 00:13:32,079 not even 382 00:13:36,069 --> 00:13:33,680 that far there yet 383 00:13:37,509 --> 00:13:36,079 you know yeah i think so much to learn 384 00:13:39,590 --> 00:13:37,519 yeah i think a lot of that's peeling 385 00:13:41,189 --> 00:13:39,600 back we want to understand things 386 00:13:44,389 --> 00:13:41,199 through quantum physics and these 387 00:13:46,949 --> 00:13:44,399 quantum entanglement and that requires 388 00:13:49,189 --> 00:13:46,959 you know even the word quantum 389 00:13:50,470 --> 00:13:49,199 means to quantify or to count which 390 00:13:53,509 --> 00:13:50,480 requires 391 00:13:56,310 --> 00:13:53,519 individual things that you can separate 392 00:13:57,829 --> 00:13:56,320 and count like beans you know you want 393 00:13:59,670 --> 00:13:57,839 to be able to count them and we do that 394 00:14:01,910 --> 00:13:59,680 with everything as humans and it's 395 00:14:02,629 --> 00:14:01,920 really a problem because the truth is 396 00:14:05,189 --> 00:14:02,639 it's 397 00:14:06,710 --> 00:14:05,199 not really made of particles or beams 398 00:14:09,350 --> 00:14:06,720 when you think of like 399 00:14:12,870 --> 00:14:09,360 like a a wave of light we even call them 400 00:14:13,590 --> 00:14:12,880 a wave of light coming off the sun 401 00:14:15,189 --> 00:14:13,600 if 402 00:14:16,870 --> 00:14:15,199 it's really simple when you think about 403 00:14:19,269 --> 00:14:16,880 it but i think that physics in a lot of 404 00:14:21,750 --> 00:14:19,279 ways is kind of taught fundamentally 405 00:14:23,590 --> 00:14:21,760 wrong or incorrect or incomplete 406 00:14:26,150 --> 00:14:23,600 when you think about it you light like 407 00:14:28,790 --> 00:14:26,160 if i like this lighter 408 00:14:31,269 --> 00:14:28,800 if the speed of light is actually moving 409 00:14:33,509 --> 00:14:31,279 then technically the photons coming off 410 00:14:35,670 --> 00:14:33,519 of this lighter should be moving with 411 00:14:37,990 --> 00:14:35,680 the same energy and the same speed of 412 00:14:40,629 --> 00:14:38,000 light as what's coming off the surface 413 00:14:42,150 --> 00:14:40,639 of the sun but it doesn't obliterate me 414 00:14:43,670 --> 00:14:42,160 or the room 415 00:14:47,430 --> 00:14:43,680 what you're getting here is just a 416 00:14:52,310 --> 00:14:50,389 electro electromagnetism of the universe 417 00:14:54,389 --> 00:14:52,320 kind of like a filter capturing the 418 00:14:55,509 --> 00:14:54,399 light that's already in the room 419 00:14:58,150 --> 00:14:55,519 um 420 00:14:59,829 --> 00:14:58,160 it's hard to 421 00:15:03,829 --> 00:14:59,839 explain that but if you think of the 422 00:15:04,870 --> 00:15:03,839 universe more like a magnetic phenomenon 423 00:15:06,550 --> 00:15:04,880 instead of 424 00:15:09,829 --> 00:15:06,560 physical particles then it starts to 425 00:15:11,509 --> 00:15:09,839 make a little bit more sense 426 00:15:13,670 --> 00:15:11,519 but yeah we want everything to be 427 00:15:17,750 --> 00:15:13,680 quantifiable we want to be able to count 428 00:15:19,910 --> 00:15:17,760 it but really that's an illusion because 429 00:15:22,069 --> 00:15:19,920 even the amount of numbers between zero 430 00:15:24,629 --> 00:15:22,079 and one you can never technically get to 431 00:15:27,670 --> 00:15:24,639 one there's infinite decimal positions 432 00:15:29,990 --> 00:15:27,680 between zero and one it's a field 433 00:15:31,749 --> 00:15:30,000 it's like an etheric field that we put 434 00:15:33,990 --> 00:15:31,759 numbers and assigned numbers to and we 435 00:15:35,749 --> 00:15:34,000 try to quantify so i think that really 436 00:15:38,790 --> 00:15:35,759 the problem with like ufos and the 437 00:15:40,870 --> 00:15:38,800 phenomenon comes down to 438 00:15:43,829 --> 00:15:40,880 fundamental nature of our understanding 439 00:15:45,110 --> 00:15:43,839 of reality and even science as a whole 440 00:15:47,350 --> 00:15:45,120 to be able to understand how these 441 00:15:49,269 --> 00:15:47,360 things move how other entities could 442 00:15:50,389 --> 00:15:49,279 even exist alongside of us and be 443 00:15:52,310 --> 00:15:50,399 invisible 444 00:15:54,069 --> 00:15:52,320 uh how they can interact with us or 445 00:15:56,230 --> 00:15:54,079 travel through space and i think as we 446 00:15:58,790 --> 00:15:56,240 discover this or that part of disclosure 447 00:16:00,949 --> 00:15:58,800 comes out it's going to radically shift 448 00:16:03,749 --> 00:16:00,959 and change everything but it's very 449 00:16:06,230 --> 00:16:03,759 under wraps and under control and a slow 450 00:16:08,230 --> 00:16:06,240 slow release right now is what it seems 451 00:16:09,430 --> 00:16:08,240 yes with all that being said do you 452 00:16:11,350 --> 00:16:09,440 think there is 453 00:16:13,990 --> 00:16:11,360 some consciousness connection and then 454 00:16:16,550 --> 00:16:14,000 which would allow us to 455 00:16:18,550 --> 00:16:16,560 contact and connect with these 456 00:16:20,389 --> 00:16:18,560 entities let's say so you know we could 457 00:16:23,509 --> 00:16:20,399 be talking talking along the lines of 458 00:16:25,110 --> 00:16:23,519 ce5 or meditation or things going back 459 00:16:27,189 --> 00:16:25,120 you know millennia that have been 460 00:16:28,389 --> 00:16:27,199 talking about in ancient scriptures and 461 00:16:29,670 --> 00:16:28,399 stuff about 462 00:16:31,430 --> 00:16:29,680 you know 463 00:16:33,509 --> 00:16:31,440 contact yeah like i said contact is that 464 00:16:35,509 --> 00:16:33,519 something that you subscribe to 465 00:16:37,030 --> 00:16:35,519 yeah yeah even in like ancient times 466 00:16:38,310 --> 00:16:37,040 everybody's puzzled with like why 467 00:16:40,949 --> 00:16:38,320 everybody was building these giant 468 00:16:42,069 --> 00:16:40,959 pyramids and why these monolithic 469 00:16:45,590 --> 00:16:42,079 uh 470 00:16:47,670 --> 00:16:45,600 these big 471 00:16:48,949 --> 00:16:47,680 spires it just looks like a giant needle 472 00:16:50,629 --> 00:16:48,959 sticking out of the ground made of 473 00:16:52,389 --> 00:16:50,639 quartz you know or something 474 00:16:53,990 --> 00:16:52,399 and really it's because i think ancient 475 00:16:56,389 --> 00:16:54,000 people in a different way they were 476 00:16:57,990 --> 00:16:56,399 approaching the nature of reality from 477 00:16:58,870 --> 00:16:58,000 and consciousness 478 00:17:00,629 --> 00:16:58,880 uh 479 00:17:02,949 --> 00:17:00,639 with an open canvas they didn't have a 480 00:17:05,590 --> 00:17:02,959 bunch of public school preconceived 481 00:17:08,309 --> 00:17:05,600 ideas they were just approaching nature 482 00:17:10,949 --> 00:17:08,319 in its raw form and so a lot of these 483 00:17:12,630 --> 00:17:10,959 civilizations were built to kind of 484 00:17:14,630 --> 00:17:12,640 amplify 485 00:17:16,470 --> 00:17:14,640 the nature of human consciousness and 486 00:17:18,870 --> 00:17:16,480 the the signals of reality and the 487 00:17:20,710 --> 00:17:18,880 vibrations going on and amplify those 488 00:17:22,549 --> 00:17:20,720 the the natural 489 00:17:24,069 --> 00:17:22,559 vibrational energy of the universe and 490 00:17:25,829 --> 00:17:24,079 the planet 491 00:17:28,950 --> 00:17:25,839 and so 492 00:17:31,430 --> 00:17:28,960 i think that uh consciousness has a huge 493 00:17:33,909 --> 00:17:31,440 part to play in it because 494 00:17:36,390 --> 00:17:33,919 i think that our understanding as well 495 00:17:38,310 --> 00:17:36,400 of human consciousness is incorrect i 496 00:17:40,230 --> 00:17:38,320 don't think it's necessarily just within 497 00:17:42,630 --> 00:17:40,240 the chemical wet works 498 00:17:43,990 --> 00:17:42,640 of the meat inside our skull 499 00:17:46,310 --> 00:17:44,000 i think that 500 00:17:47,270 --> 00:17:46,320 science and and these ancient teachings 501 00:17:49,190 --> 00:17:47,280 and even 502 00:17:51,669 --> 00:17:49,200 transcendental meditation practice shows 503 00:17:54,630 --> 00:17:51,679 you that your consciousness is more like 504 00:17:57,110 --> 00:17:54,640 a signal or like also part of that field 505 00:17:59,510 --> 00:17:57,120 of energy that more surrounds you and 506 00:18:02,070 --> 00:17:59,520 the space around you and your whole 507 00:18:04,310 --> 00:18:02,080 sense of self it's not just contained 508 00:18:06,150 --> 00:18:04,320 within the wet works of the brain and 509 00:18:08,150 --> 00:18:06,160 the chemicals of the brain and the 510 00:18:09,750 --> 00:18:08,160 plasma going on in there 511 00:18:12,789 --> 00:18:09,760 inside your skull 512 00:18:14,870 --> 00:18:12,799 but consciousness is a field of 513 00:18:18,310 --> 00:18:14,880 awareness 514 00:18:19,830 --> 00:18:18,320 that is collective and also 515 00:18:21,430 --> 00:18:19,840 surrounds you and is connected to 516 00:18:24,150 --> 00:18:21,440 everything that you hear and everything 517 00:18:26,950 --> 00:18:24,160 that you see it unifies you with that 518 00:18:28,789 --> 00:18:26,960 surrounded environment so 519 00:18:31,029 --> 00:18:28,799 consciousness has a huge part to play in 520 00:18:32,789 --> 00:18:31,039 it i think because 521 00:18:35,510 --> 00:18:32,799 ultimately when you 522 00:18:38,630 --> 00:18:35,520 see the phenomenon if you were to see a 523 00:18:40,870 --> 00:18:38,640 ufo or have a paranormal encounter 524 00:18:42,710 --> 00:18:40,880 that has to pass through the lenses and 525 00:18:45,430 --> 00:18:42,720 the filters of your own consciousness 526 00:18:46,789 --> 00:18:45,440 and interpretation anyways so you can't 527 00:18:48,870 --> 00:18:46,799 separate 528 00:18:51,270 --> 00:18:48,880 that lens or perception or 529 00:18:53,029 --> 00:18:51,280 interpretation of what you're seeing 530 00:18:54,470 --> 00:18:53,039 and if what you're witnessing and what 531 00:18:55,510 --> 00:18:54,480 appears to you is something that you 532 00:18:57,430 --> 00:18:55,520 can't 533 00:18:59,350 --> 00:18:57,440 understand or fathom 534 00:19:01,669 --> 00:18:59,360 then maybe the phenomenon could even 535 00:19:04,789 --> 00:19:01,679 interface with your consciousness to try 536 00:19:06,470 --> 00:19:04,799 and utilize that or or like what happens 537 00:19:08,710 --> 00:19:06,480 with periadolia like when you look at a 538 00:19:10,710 --> 00:19:08,720 cloud and it looks like a rabbit or 539 00:19:11,830 --> 00:19:10,720 something like that or you look at 540 00:19:13,590 --> 00:19:11,840 you know 541 00:19:16,789 --> 00:19:13,600 texture on a wall and it suddenly looks 542 00:19:18,230 --> 00:19:16,799 like a face your subconscious can also 543 00:19:21,669 --> 00:19:18,240 project 544 00:19:24,150 --> 00:19:21,679 um forms onto non-form 545 00:19:26,310 --> 00:19:24,160 realities and shapes and give it meaning 546 00:19:29,029 --> 00:19:26,320 and give it an interpretive meaning and 547 00:19:31,029 --> 00:19:29,039 and i think that the phenomenon if it is 548 00:19:33,029 --> 00:19:31,039 capable of 549 00:19:35,510 --> 00:19:33,039 interfacing and connecting with us as 550 00:19:37,350 --> 00:19:35,520 individuals that it would use that sense 551 00:19:38,630 --> 00:19:37,360 of awareness or interface with that 552 00:19:40,070 --> 00:19:38,640 sense of awareness to try and 553 00:19:41,350 --> 00:19:40,080 communicate 554 00:19:43,270 --> 00:19:41,360 if you didn't have 555 00:19:44,470 --> 00:19:43,280 the language to be able to talk to 556 00:19:46,630 --> 00:19:44,480 somebody else 557 00:19:48,630 --> 00:19:46,640 you know typically if you if you landed 558 00:19:50,710 --> 00:19:48,640 on some foreign island with villagers 559 00:19:53,190 --> 00:19:50,720 and couldn't communicate with them 560 00:19:55,270 --> 00:19:53,200 you would try to convey your emotion you 561 00:19:56,950 --> 00:19:55,280 would try to use sign language you'd try 562 00:19:58,150 --> 00:19:56,960 to draw symbols in the dirt and 563 00:20:00,710 --> 00:19:58,160 ultimately 564 00:20:02,789 --> 00:20:00,720 uh if you were across vast distances you 565 00:20:05,029 --> 00:20:02,799 would have to try and convey signals 566 00:20:06,789 --> 00:20:05,039 through emotions and telepathy 567 00:20:09,110 --> 00:20:06,799 and conscious connection and i think 568 00:20:10,710 --> 00:20:09,120 advanced civilizations or alternative 569 00:20:12,470 --> 00:20:10,720 type of entities 570 00:20:14,070 --> 00:20:12,480 uh may just naturally already 571 00:20:16,149 --> 00:20:14,080 communicate that way 572 00:20:18,549 --> 00:20:16,159 we uh we already speculate that in the 573 00:20:20,789 --> 00:20:18,559 animal kingdom you know that like 574 00:20:21,909 --> 00:20:20,799 dolphins and other creatures use all 575 00:20:24,230 --> 00:20:21,919 sorts of different forms of 576 00:20:27,190 --> 00:20:24,240 communication from 577 00:20:29,909 --> 00:20:27,200 sonar and different signals and beeps 578 00:20:32,549 --> 00:20:29,919 and ultimately we're just talking about 579 00:20:35,110 --> 00:20:32,559 different frequencies of communication 580 00:20:37,510 --> 00:20:35,120 we have to fill up our lungs and cause a 581 00:20:41,350 --> 00:20:37,520 perturbation or like a wave 582 00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:41,360 in reality to try and communicate but 583 00:20:45,669 --> 00:20:43,919 maybe something doesn't require 584 00:20:47,750 --> 00:20:45,679 wind bags to do that but can just do 585 00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:47,760 that with the electromagnetic signals of 586 00:20:51,029 --> 00:20:49,360 their thoughts and their consciousness 587 00:20:52,950 --> 00:20:51,039 to be able to communicate 588 00:20:55,190 --> 00:20:52,960 just like if you think of your 589 00:20:57,590 --> 00:20:55,200 your body and your dna and your brain 590 00:20:59,990 --> 00:20:57,600 more like a radio antenna 591 00:21:01,510 --> 00:21:00,000 and less like the radio announcer then 592 00:21:03,510 --> 00:21:01,520 it makes more sense 593 00:21:06,070 --> 00:21:03,520 anything could jump in and hijack that 594 00:21:09,909 --> 00:21:06,080 antenna and hijack the radio signal you 595 00:21:11,830 --> 00:21:09,919 might be listening to like station 101.5 596 00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:11,840 but an alien interference could come in 597 00:21:16,310 --> 00:21:13,760 and hijack that signal and we might call 598 00:21:17,430 --> 00:21:16,320 that clairvoyance or some sort of like a 599 00:21:19,430 --> 00:21:17,440 paranormal 600 00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:19,440 interface or a vision or out-of-body 601 00:21:22,630 --> 00:21:20,880 experience when really it's just our 602 00:21:25,510 --> 00:21:22,640 antenna picking up different 603 00:21:27,430 --> 00:21:25,520 communication from our default network 604 00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:27,440 that we're usually on day-to-day that's 605 00:21:29,750 --> 00:21:28,080 right 606 00:21:31,350 --> 00:21:29,760 i feel like i'm saying a lot am i even 607 00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:31,360 answering your questions yeah and this 608 00:21:34,470 --> 00:21:33,440 is exactly what i wanted to happen carl 609 00:21:35,830 --> 00:21:34,480 because 610 00:21:37,590 --> 00:21:35,840 you've said a lot and but everything you 611 00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:37,600 say you say in a way that just makes it 612 00:21:41,909 --> 00:21:39,919 so understandable and it's like this is 613 00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:41,919 what i've wanted for a long time you 614 00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:44,000 know because people do go off into the 615 00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:46,400 scientific deep stuff that you need a 616 00:21:49,270 --> 00:21:48,080 degree to understand but you put 617 00:21:50,149 --> 00:21:49,280 everything that's 618 00:21:52,870 --> 00:21:50,159 so 619 00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:52,880 maybe technical and advanced 620 00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:55,440 in such simplistic terms that it's it's 621 00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:57,600 a pleasure to listen to so yeah it was 622 00:22:01,750 --> 00:21:59,440 great but i'm just going to point out 623 00:22:03,510 --> 00:22:01,760 this question by christopher morales he 624 00:22:06,549 --> 00:22:03,520 says is our consciousness the same as 625 00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:06,559 what's referred to as our soul 626 00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:07,840 i think it just depends on your 627 00:22:13,110 --> 00:22:09,840 perspective in my opinion i feel like 628 00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:13,120 consciousness is something that is more 629 00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:15,200 timeless or eternal it's part of the 630 00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:17,360 substrate of the nature of the universe 631 00:22:21,510 --> 00:22:18,880 itself 632 00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:21,520 consciousness is and the soul 633 00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:23,760 i would say is more 634 00:22:28,870 --> 00:22:26,159 the interfacing of that consciousness 635 00:22:31,990 --> 00:22:28,880 into the sense of an individual using a 636 00:22:34,630 --> 00:22:32,000 body as a vehicle to to interact with 637 00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:34,640 reality from an individual perspective 638 00:22:38,549 --> 00:22:36,480 and when that interface occurs where you 639 00:22:40,390 --> 00:22:38,559 have consciousness kind of interfacing 640 00:22:42,149 --> 00:22:40,400 into an individual 641 00:22:44,549 --> 00:22:42,159 like here i am carl 642 00:22:47,190 --> 00:22:44,559 uh that would be what i would consider a 643 00:22:49,029 --> 00:22:47,200 soul so you have an individual 644 00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:49,039 consciousness that i see myself as 645 00:22:53,350 --> 00:22:50,880 separate from everyone else 646 00:22:55,669 --> 00:22:53,360 i would consider that a soul 647 00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:55,679 but when the body 648 00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:57,760 dies or when i die 649 00:23:02,310 --> 00:23:00,400 my physical form dies the i would say 650 00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:02,320 that the consciousness or the signal 651 00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:04,559 continues and so i would say that it's 652 00:23:10,549 --> 00:23:07,600 always been there just like if you 653 00:23:13,110 --> 00:23:10,559 have a radio and you're playing 101.5 654 00:23:15,430 --> 00:23:13,120 and then you smash the radio and and 655 00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:15,440 destroy the the component 656 00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:18,640 um antenna and the the membranes that 657 00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:20,960 pick up the signal the signal's still 658 00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:23,200 there yeah the announcer is all still 659 00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:25,039 there the information is all still there 660 00:23:30,390 --> 00:23:27,840 and continues it's just not dialed in or 661 00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:30,400 differentiated into a specific point of 662 00:23:35,110 --> 00:23:33,200 view it just returns to the source um 663 00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:35,120 but the announcers are all still there 664 00:23:40,149 --> 00:23:37,919 the all the all the 5g signals are still 665 00:23:41,909 --> 00:23:40,159 there the wi-fi is all still there i 666 00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:41,919 think the consciousness still continues 667 00:23:45,669 --> 00:23:43,440 but the soul 668 00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:45,679 and that interface between the body and 669 00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:47,200 the consciousness 670 00:23:52,149 --> 00:23:49,760 creates a kind of a harnessed effect for 671 00:23:53,950 --> 00:23:52,159 consciousness to to work one step at a 672 00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:53,960 time instead of being 673 00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:56,080 undifferentiated out into the universe 674 00:23:59,909 --> 00:23:57,360 and so it's kind of like having 675 00:24:01,590 --> 00:23:59,919 something for the signal to attach to 676 00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:01,600 uh to have a body but i don't think 677 00:24:04,630 --> 00:24:03,520 consciousness requires a body in order 678 00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:04,640 to function 679 00:24:07,830 --> 00:24:06,640 yeah that's incredible i i love your 680 00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:07,840 analogies 681 00:24:11,110 --> 00:24:08,720 i think 682 00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:11,120 that just makes so much sense and i need 683 00:24:16,630 --> 00:24:13,919 to eat you next to me like by my side 684 00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:16,640 every single day 685 00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:18,400 it's kind of like if you study like 686 00:24:21,830 --> 00:24:20,320 magnetics and stuff it makes a lot more 687 00:24:24,070 --> 00:24:21,840 sense like uh 688 00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:24,080 you have like the positive positive end 689 00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:26,159 and the negative end of a magnet 690 00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:27,360 um 691 00:24:29,590 --> 00:24:28,799 and when you think about it so you have 692 00:24:31,830 --> 00:24:29,600 like 693 00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:31,840 anodes and cathodes and we don't have to 694 00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:33,440 get into all the science about this 695 00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:35,200 people can go research all that out but 696 00:24:39,789 --> 00:24:37,440 you have like 697 00:24:41,909 --> 00:24:39,799 us is a physical form or a lot like 698 00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:41,919 electromagnetic cathodes our physical 699 00:24:46,230 --> 00:24:44,159 bodies we require 700 00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:46,240 intake we have to consume and consume 701 00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:48,080 and consume energy of other living 702 00:24:52,149 --> 00:24:50,080 things taking energy and minerals into 703 00:24:54,630 --> 00:24:52,159 ourselves and we're constantly putting 704 00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:54,640 off heat and energy and dissipating it 705 00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:56,640 and we're and we're immediately from 706 00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:58,799 when we're born and we stop growing we 707 00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:01,200 start entropying we start growing old 708 00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:03,600 and dying just like in a battery you 709 00:25:07,110 --> 00:25:05,039 have that 710 00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:07,120 negative pole or cathode and a battery 711 00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:08,880 that slowly dissolves and gets 712 00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:11,200 deteriorated as it uses up 713 00:25:15,510 --> 00:25:13,360 its life and on the other end of that 714 00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:15,520 you have um 715 00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:18,960 the anodes which is like a cold neutral 716 00:25:24,549 --> 00:25:21,360 polarity perspective that keeps all that 717 00:25:26,470 --> 00:25:24,559 harness and i kind of wonder if uh 718 00:25:28,390 --> 00:25:26,480 our relationship with consciousness and 719 00:25:29,669 --> 00:25:28,400 with the phenomenon is something to do 720 00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:29,679 with that where we're here in this 721 00:25:32,789 --> 00:25:31,600 physical dimension of reality kind of 722 00:25:36,149 --> 00:25:32,799 like 723 00:25:39,190 --> 00:25:36,159 through this 724 00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:39,200 degrading experience of a physical life 725 00:25:42,789 --> 00:25:41,760 where we have to consume and burn off 726 00:25:43,990 --> 00:25:42,799 all this 727 00:25:46,630 --> 00:25:44,000 uh 728 00:25:49,590 --> 00:25:46,640 energy in our physical bodies but that 729 00:25:51,909 --> 00:25:49,600 isn't necessarily required for the whole 730 00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:51,919 battery to create energy or for the 731 00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:54,640 whole universe to function or for 732 00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:56,960 that phenomenon to occur but anyway 733 00:26:00,470 --> 00:25:58,799 that's kind of some weird deep stuff i 734 00:26:01,830 --> 00:26:00,480 honestly think that it has to do with 735 00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:01,840 the nature of the phenomenon and like 736 00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:04,320 that we sit here in this physical form 737 00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:06,960 and then there's this uh 738 00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:09,760 extra dimensional aspect to ourselves we 739 00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:11,520 sometimes call it our subconscious but 740 00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:13,520 it kind of runs around extra dimensional 741 00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:15,760 to us like the other ender pull of a 742 00:26:19,350 --> 00:26:17,360 battery and sometimes 743 00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:19,360 comes into our reality and interfaces 744 00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:20,480 that way but 745 00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:22,080 yeah i think consciousness is definitely 746 00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:24,400 not just stuck within the body but 747 00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:26,400 is connected with the whole 748 00:26:29,909 --> 00:26:28,240 of the whole universe 749 00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:29,919 just depends on whether the antenna is 750 00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:31,279 dialed in or not 751 00:26:35,590 --> 00:26:33,440 absolutely man and like i said it's just 752 00:26:37,510 --> 00:26:35,600 appearing everywhere at the moment 753 00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:37,520 i i assume for everyone but for me 754 00:26:41,430 --> 00:26:39,440 specifically i see it when i 755 00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:41,440 go and do research or i go on different 756 00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:43,279 social medias and i'm 757 00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:45,360 looking at ufo stuff the consciousness 758 00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:47,520 stuff is being discussed more and more 759 00:26:51,669 --> 00:26:49,840 and i think it really is 760 00:26:53,909 --> 00:26:51,679 going somewhere where it's becoming part 761 00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:53,919 of people's realities who weren't 762 00:26:58,710 --> 00:26:56,559 looking into it or interested in it so 763 00:27:00,310 --> 00:26:58,720 i think that's really interesting but 764 00:27:01,510 --> 00:27:00,320 let's move on one thing i wanted to talk 765 00:27:04,070 --> 00:27:01,520 to you about and you mentioned it 766 00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:04,080 earlier was skinwalker ranch because 767 00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:06,320 i've been following that for quite quite 768 00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:07,679 a while with 769 00:27:11,909 --> 00:27:09,840 out really knowing what to think 770 00:27:13,029 --> 00:27:11,919 not being not being tuned into that kind 771 00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:13,039 of thing so 772 00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:14,480 how about yourself like what what do you 773 00:27:20,710 --> 00:27:17,200 think of all that and stuff i have a 774 00:27:22,149 --> 00:27:20,720 couple of different theories about it um 775 00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:22,159 i think it's kind of an interplay of a 776 00:27:26,549 --> 00:27:23,679 few different things going on there 777 00:27:28,149 --> 00:27:26,559 first of all i think that it 778 00:27:31,269 --> 00:27:28,159 something happened there in the ancient 779 00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:31,279 past uh whether it be specifically 780 00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:33,360 geologically in the region 781 00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:35,919 um have you seen the any of this stuff 782 00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:38,159 about blind frog ranch 783 00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:40,559 it's a silly name there's skinwalker 784 00:27:44,389 --> 00:27:42,240 ranch and then blind frog ranch there's 785 00:27:46,789 --> 00:27:44,399 a whole other tv show called blind frog 786 00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:46,799 ranch it's another happen it's another 787 00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:51,039 farm ranch in utah near skinwalker ranch 788 00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:54,080 very very strange and they've found 789 00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:58,159 uh high levels of iridium in the soil 790 00:28:01,909 --> 00:27:59,520 they can literally 791 00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:01,919 take a scoop of dirt in this one area of 792 00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:04,240 the ranch just dirt like sand off the 793 00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:08,000 ground and they can smelt it and get 794 00:28:12,389 --> 00:28:10,559 actual silver and they had 795 00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:12,399 they had a chemist there and he was 796 00:28:15,750 --> 00:28:13,919 hesitant even on camera he said i don't 797 00:28:18,070 --> 00:28:15,760 know what to call this other than like a 798 00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:18,080 form of alchemy but there's weird weird 799 00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:19,600 anomalous stuff going on here where you 800 00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:22,000 take dirt and melt it and silver comes 801 00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:24,640 out doesn't make any sense but then you 802 00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:25,760 is that you're sorry is that in the 803 00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:27,840 winter basin as well as skin walker yeah 804 00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:30,399 it's in the same area yeah but the only 805 00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:32,320 way you get iridium in the soil like 806 00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:34,240 that especially that high levels of 807 00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:36,640 iridium is if there was an at some point 808 00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:38,480 in the ancient past a huge meteorite 809 00:28:42,549 --> 00:28:39,840 that hit the ground 810 00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:42,559 so somewhere in the area a big meteorite 811 00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:45,760 must have cracked the until basin there 812 00:28:49,830 --> 00:28:46,559 and 813 00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:49,840 if there is giant fragments of 814 00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:52,320 a magnetic meteorite underground 815 00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:54,559 that could cause some of it when the 816 00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:56,640 earth moves through the solar system at 817 00:29:03,190 --> 00:28:59,279 certain times and different alignments 818 00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:03,200 according to astronomy it could amplify 819 00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:05,120 some sort of natural signal from a 820 00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:07,440 meteorite underground just like 821 00:29:11,590 --> 00:29:09,120 pulling any kind of 822 00:29:13,990 --> 00:29:11,600 uh or big storm comes through you know 823 00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:14,000 over some electromagnetic storm comes 824 00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:16,880 overhead and this big electromag or this 825 00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:19,600 not electromagnetic but like an iron 826 00:29:23,110 --> 00:29:21,600 naturally occurring magnetic meteorite 827 00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:23,120 under the ground or fragments spread 828 00:29:25,269 --> 00:29:24,480 underground 829 00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:25,279 could 830 00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:27,039 create all sorts of anomalies and i 831 00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:28,320 think it could be 832 00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:30,320 a couple of things so 833 00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:32,000 for one if you 834 00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:33,200 pass through 835 00:29:39,029 --> 00:29:36,559 a certain valley or walk through 836 00:29:40,669 --> 00:29:39,039 a geological area and there's like a 837 00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:40,679 storm going on or 838 00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:42,480 electromagnetically there's a static 839 00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:44,240 charge built up in the air and a 840 00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:46,000 meteorite underground 841 00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:48,320 well our brains and our abilities to 842 00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:50,640 perceive reality completely run on the 843 00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:53,279 same types of energies and mechanisms 844 00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:55,760 like if you took a nap with your head on 845 00:29:59,190 --> 00:29:57,919 a big magnet you're going to have crazy 846 00:30:01,269 --> 00:29:59,200 dreams 847 00:30:03,029 --> 00:30:01,279 or visions you know they use 848 00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:03,039 helmets with magnets in them to try and 849 00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:05,360 create near-death experiences and deer 850 00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:08,159 different paranormal anomalies and stuff 851 00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:11,120 in scientific studies and so 852 00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:12,960 i think you could walk through certain 853 00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:15,360 areas of skinwalker ranch or blind frog 854 00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:16,559 ranch and 855 00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:17,440 maybe 856 00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:19,440 where the meteorite is underground or 857 00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:22,480 certain anomalies in the earth or maybe 858 00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:24,559 some sort of a crystal maybe there's a 859 00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:27,440 pool of mercury swirling around in the 860 00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:29,919 earth creating an electromagnetic field 861 00:30:34,389 --> 00:30:32,000 so that could do a couple of things 862 00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:34,399 first of all it could literally 863 00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:36,880 create a rift in reality where there's 864 00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:39,200 portals that open and other entities can 865 00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:40,960 come through or 866 00:30:45,269 --> 00:30:43,039 it creates an energetic 867 00:30:46,950 --> 00:30:45,279 area where beings that utilize that type 868 00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:46,960 of energy are able to amplify and 869 00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:48,080 manifest 870 00:30:51,669 --> 00:30:50,000 or it could just be affecting the people 871 00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:51,679 that are walking through the area just 872 00:30:55,350 --> 00:30:53,360 like if you walked into a room that was 873 00:30:57,509 --> 00:30:55,360 full of radiation and it made you 874 00:31:00,389 --> 00:30:57,519 hallucinate things if you were walking 875 00:31:02,549 --> 00:31:00,399 over the top of a big magnetic meteorite 876 00:31:03,509 --> 00:31:02,559 and there's some electrical charge in 877 00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:03,519 the air 878 00:31:06,549 --> 00:31:04,399 or 879 00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:06,559 something like that 880 00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:08,640 it could open up your perceptions to see 881 00:31:13,110 --> 00:31:10,799 reality completely differently or to see 882 00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:13,120 things into other dimensions of reality 883 00:31:16,789 --> 00:31:14,640 that you normally wouldn't perceive just 884 00:31:18,870 --> 00:31:16,799 like taking a pair of blinders off 885 00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:18,880 suddenly you can 886 00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:21,440 have advanced awareness or amplified 887 00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:23,200 abilities 888 00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:24,880 like imagine if you were walking around 889 00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:25,840 at night 890 00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:27,760 in the pitch black and suddenly walked 891 00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:30,480 into a strange anomalous magnetic area 892 00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:32,080 that affected your vision and suddenly 893 00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:34,240 you could see an infrared 894 00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:36,320 off the visible spectrum and have a 895 00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:37,919 moment where you could see something 896 00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:40,159 anomalous you you might see something 897 00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:42,000 you know that you normally would not 898 00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:44,159 perceive that is actually there but just 899 00:31:47,909 --> 00:31:45,760 in another 900 00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:47,919 physical dimension of reality 901 00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:49,840 that's so interesting so there's a 902 00:31:53,509 --> 00:31:51,919 couple of different ways that could go 903 00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:53,519 yeah so i mean obviously the portal 904 00:31:56,950 --> 00:31:55,120 thing has been spoken about in skinwalk 905 00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:56,960 of quite some time and i mean that just 906 00:32:00,870 --> 00:31:59,279 fascinates me so much but i mean then 907 00:32:02,789 --> 00:32:00,880 you get the uh the 908 00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:02,799 the ute tribes talking about the actual 909 00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:04,640 skinwalkers themselves have you got any 910 00:32:09,509 --> 00:32:07,360 theories about those at all 911 00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:09,519 yeah um 912 00:32:13,509 --> 00:32:11,279 i think it has a little bit more to do 913 00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:13,519 with the illusion of time and the idea 914 00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:15,360 that like time is actually 915 00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:17,200 somewhere in this other place in the 916 00:32:20,549 --> 00:32:19,039 past and the future is some other place 917 00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:20,559 in the pa in the 918 00:32:25,269 --> 00:32:23,120 in in the undifferentiated future 919 00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:25,279 right um but i think uh 920 00:32:29,909 --> 00:32:27,600 yeah the ancient legends of all of that 921 00:32:31,590 --> 00:32:29,919 that happened there was so much 922 00:32:34,149 --> 00:32:31,600 negativity that occurred in that area 923 00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:34,159 where the eu indians were going and 924 00:32:38,230 --> 00:32:36,320 kidnapping the other natives in the area 925 00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:38,240 and selling them off to slavery and 926 00:32:41,509 --> 00:32:40,000 torturing and murdering them 927 00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:41,519 and then there was like a curse placed 928 00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:42,720 on the land 929 00:32:45,509 --> 00:32:44,399 uh and a bunch of stuff but i just 930 00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:45,519 wonder if 931 00:32:50,389 --> 00:32:47,840 if a lot of like 932 00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:50,399 collective negative things occurred in a 933 00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:52,880 particular area if 934 00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:55,440 somewhere in what we consider space-time 935 00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:57,600 or what we consider the past those are 936 00:33:02,389 --> 00:33:00,159 kind of still going on like imagine if 937 00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:02,399 you know you had like a 938 00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:04,000 a cassette tape and you just kept 939 00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:06,399 recording new songs over that old 940 00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:07,919 cassette tape over and over and over and 941 00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:10,080 over again yeah the degradation over 942 00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:11,760 time if you listened really close you 943 00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:13,760 could hear some of the original songs 944 00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:15,440 still playing in the background that 945 00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:17,519 have just been rewritten there's still a 946 00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:19,840 residue there and so i wonder if there's 947 00:33:23,590 --> 00:33:20,880 just these 948 00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:23,600 uh little echoes in reality distortions 949 00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:25,760 in reality where we can get glimpses of 950 00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:27,760 the past or the future 951 00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:29,840 and so maybe that you know goes back to 952 00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:31,679 skinwalker ranch too you might have some 953 00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:33,840 time slippage where 954 00:33:38,789 --> 00:33:35,519 they see some 955 00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:38,799 giant strange prehistoric looking wolf 956 00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:41,279 come up into the ranch and walk around 957 00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:43,200 and you know maybe it's something out of 958 00:33:46,389 --> 00:33:45,039 place in time that did exist and walk 959 00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:46,399 through that valley 960 00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:48,640 and hunt and migrate through the area 961 00:33:52,870 --> 00:33:50,880 back in prehistoric times it somehow 962 00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:52,880 slipped through into our awareness 963 00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:55,120 because of the time overlap 964 00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:56,880 where it's just going and looking for 965 00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:58,720 rabbits or something and winds up in our 966 00:34:02,310 --> 00:34:00,000 timeline 967 00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:02,320 uh thousands of years out of place 968 00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:04,240 yeah and some of that could be layered 969 00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:06,000 yeah like ten thousand-year-old 970 00:34:09,270 --> 00:34:07,360 direwolves when people were showing 971 00:34:10,869 --> 00:34:09,280 pictures of what they saw like the um 972 00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:10,879 the sherman family 973 00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:12,960 you know they were apparently shown a 974 00:34:16,069 --> 00:34:14,240 load of pictures of wolves and yeah they 975 00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:16,079 picked out a dial off ten thousand years 976 00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:18,399 extinct or something so yeah that 977 00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:19,359 certainly 978 00:34:23,349 --> 00:34:21,200 makes sense you know all sorts of weird 979 00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:23,359 mythological creatures and orbs and 980 00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:25,280 energetic things and again it could just 981 00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:26,560 be like uh 982 00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:28,079 you know you see a 983 00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:28,879 some 984 00:34:34,069 --> 00:34:32,240 crazy anomalous shadow figure or plasma 985 00:34:36,069 --> 00:34:34,079 form moving through the trees and your 986 00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:36,079 own subconscious fills in the gaps you 987 00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:37,200 know 988 00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:39,440 if you're hiking on a trail and you see 989 00:34:43,349 --> 00:34:41,119 some weird squiggly thing on the trail 990 00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:43,359 you a lot of times you jump and run away 991 00:34:46,629 --> 00:34:44,800 thinking it's a snake and then you 992 00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:46,639 realize when you look at it it's just a 993 00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:49,520 stick you know but uh and so some of 994 00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:51,839 that could be going on there could be an 995 00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:54,480 actual phenomenon occurring and then 996 00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:55,919 the witnesses 997 00:34:58,710 --> 00:34:57,680 fill in the gaps and say that was a 998 00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:58,720 bigfoot 999 00:35:01,750 --> 00:35:00,240 you know when really it was just a 1000 00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:01,760 shadow figure 1001 00:35:05,829 --> 00:35:04,640 an energetic kind of uh 1002 00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:05,839 entity that 1003 00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:08,400 emerged forward and then left and then 1004 00:35:12,470 --> 00:35:10,400 they just see it as a 1005 00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:12,480 hairy ape man because your subconscious 1006 00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:15,359 fears kick in you know like yeah 1007 00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:17,359 then of course they get the um obviously 1008 00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:18,960 they get the ufo sightings and that's a 1009 00:35:21,910 --> 00:35:20,160 big thing that they've had for many 1010 00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:21,920 years you know they've even featured it 1011 00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:24,880 on tv shows documentaries and stuff so 1012 00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:26,079 do you think there's some relation there 1013 00:35:30,750 --> 00:35:28,480 to this possibility of 1014 00:35:32,950 --> 00:35:30,760 the it's drawn to the area through 1015 00:35:33,750 --> 00:35:32,960 electromagnetism or something like that 1016 00:35:35,349 --> 00:35:33,760 or 1017 00:35:37,270 --> 00:35:35,359 is that do you think it all relates to 1018 00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:37,280 that sort of same thing 1019 00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:39,760 yeah it's probably just the the legends 1020 00:35:43,829 --> 00:35:41,760 of the area that the conscious 1021 00:35:45,750 --> 00:35:43,839 expectations of people in the area you 1022 00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:45,760 could probably pick if it's not like an 1023 00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:47,760 actual geological 1024 00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:50,560 thing to do with the uintah basin or 1025 00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:52,480 something like that you could probably 1026 00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:53,280 pick 1027 00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:58,480 my backyard or any kind of 1028 00:36:01,990 --> 00:36:00,480 farmer's field and if you had enough 1029 00:36:02,870 --> 00:36:02,000 people around 1030 00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:02,880 uh 1031 00:36:07,349 --> 00:36:05,280 energetically you know meditating and 1032 00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:07,359 changing their perceptions and altered 1033 00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:09,520 altering their states of consciousness 1034 00:36:13,270 --> 00:36:12,240 and spending time out there uh even just 1035 00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:13,280 the 1036 00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:21,520 ancient past or esoteric rituals and 1037 00:36:24,349 --> 00:36:23,359 things could definitely be some kind of 1038 00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:24,359 an 1039 00:36:31,510 --> 00:36:29,920 uh almost like chumming for sharks one 1040 00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:31,520 thing i do want to caution when it comes 1041 00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:33,839 to this idea of like i've talked about 1042 00:36:37,349 --> 00:36:35,440 this before but i haven't really given 1043 00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:37,359 the warnings too much when you 1044 00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:40,240 if you are going to do like meditation 1045 00:36:43,829 --> 00:36:42,079 or some kind of reverse remote viewing 1046 00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:43,839 to try and make contact with any kind of 1047 00:36:49,270 --> 00:36:47,040 phenomenal entities you i this is the 1048 00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:49,280 caution that i would give there 1049 00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:51,200 for and this is from personal experience 1050 00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:52,320 i'll say 1051 00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:54,240 that usually even if you're like if 1052 00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:56,560 you're in las vegas or new york and 1053 00:36:59,670 --> 00:36:58,000 you're in a big bustling city and 1054 00:37:01,990 --> 00:36:59,680 there's a lot going on 1055 00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:02,000 and you start basically opening yourself 1056 00:37:05,910 --> 00:37:04,400 up to talk to anybody and everybody who 1057 00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:05,920 are the first kind of people that are 1058 00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:08,400 usually going to rush up to you that 1059 00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:12,000 usually not the most stable same people 1060 00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:14,320 usually they're very needy people or 1061 00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:16,240 homeless people or mentally distressed 1062 00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:18,800 people who have different types of needs 1063 00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:21,040 or concerns and they're not necessarily 1064 00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:22,800 a good representation of the whole 1065 00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:24,720 population usually the people that are 1066 00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:26,560 very sane 1067 00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:28,560 and have their life together are busy 1068 00:37:31,829 --> 00:37:30,320 doing things and moving on and they're 1069 00:37:33,510 --> 00:37:31,839 not even going to pay any attention to 1070 00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:33,520 you and they move right along 1071 00:37:38,230 --> 00:37:34,240 so 1072 00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:38,240 transcendental meditation or reverse 1073 00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:40,320 remote viewing or like the stuff that 1074 00:37:43,829 --> 00:37:42,240 stephen greer does to try and attract 1075 00:37:45,430 --> 00:37:43,839 these things where you're basically 1076 00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:45,440 praying and opening your heart to try 1077 00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:47,920 and draw them to you i mean you've got 1078 00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:50,400 to stop and use some common sense and 1079 00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:52,160 some deductive reasoning 1080 00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:53,920 even in this life 1081 00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:56,320 the things that the people and that run 1082 00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:58,160 up to you first excited to talk to you 1083 00:38:02,550 --> 00:38:00,240 are not necessarily 1084 00:38:03,829 --> 00:38:02,560 the safest not necessarily 1085 00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:03,839 have you 1086 00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:05,359 best intentions in mind that doesn't 1087 00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:06,560 mean that there's 1088 00:38:10,950 --> 00:38:08,240 that you should be afraid or anything 1089 00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:10,960 like that but yeah um 1090 00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:12,960 yeah i would i would definitely say you 1091 00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:15,200 know use caution and be observant and 1092 00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:17,440 selective about your approach to it 1093 00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:19,520 don't just uh open your life and 1094 00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:22,240 consciousness up to anything to come uh 1095 00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:23,040 and 1096 00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:25,359 hang out with you you were you prefaced 1097 00:38:30,829 --> 00:38:27,680 that with from personal experience do 1098 00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:30,839 you care to expand on that at all 1099 00:38:35,589 --> 00:38:34,400 um yeah i've uh sure 1100 00:38:37,990 --> 00:38:35,599 i've uh 1101 00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:38,000 trying to sort all this out i've done a 1102 00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:39,280 lot of different 1103 00:38:43,349 --> 00:38:41,520 meditation approaches and methods when i 1104 00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:43,359 say meditation a lot of people just make 1105 00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:44,800 an assumption of what that is where 1106 00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:46,720 you're basically 1107 00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:48,320 you know sitting still 1108 00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:50,480 in a in the lotus position and you're 1109 00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:52,640 basically zoning out and just trying not 1110 00:38:55,990 --> 00:38:54,079 to think 1111 00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:56,000 trying to be a piece and trying to 1112 00:38:58,829 --> 00:38:57,359 achieve zen 1113 00:39:01,990 --> 00:38:58,839 but some of the 1114 00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:02,000 uh meditation methods that i use are 1115 00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:04,560 more proactive or involved they're 1116 00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:05,440 um 1117 00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:08,640 engaged with the subconscious and so for 1118 00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:10,400 example like 1119 00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:11,920 um 1120 00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:13,440 an example would be let's say like i'm 1121 00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:15,599 i'm really stressed out about work 1122 00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:17,839 uh and i know that this is not a good 1123 00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:19,599 emotion for me so what i'll do is i'll 1124 00:39:23,750 --> 00:39:21,680 go sit and meditate and instead of just 1125 00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:23,760 like trying to get rid of these 1126 00:39:27,910 --> 00:39:25,599 anomalous feelings that i'm having i 1127 00:39:29,270 --> 00:39:27,920 actually visualize that i'm going to a 1128 00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:29,280 specific 1129 00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:31,760 imaginary place that i have thought up 1130 00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:33,760 and made up in my own mind like an 1131 00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:36,640 imaginary dreamscape or a realm and i'll 1132 00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:39,040 go into like a room and there's a box in 1133 00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:40,880 there that has these special abilities 1134 00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:43,839 that i have given it and i will put my 1135 00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:44,880 problems 1136 00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:47,040 figuratively and imaginatively inside 1137 00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:49,599 this box and it will solve the problems 1138 00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:51,040 for me and then when it feels better 1139 00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:52,400 i'll come back and open it and the 1140 00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:54,160 solutions are there for me so it's like 1141 00:40:15,109 --> 00:39:54,800 a 1142 00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:15,119 where 1143 00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:16,480 when i'm 1144 00:40:23,829 --> 00:40:21,200 sometimes i'll sense that there's like 1145 00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:23,839 a presence or i'll sense some sort of a 1146 00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:25,200 strange 1147 00:40:29,829 --> 00:40:26,880 familiarity um 1148 00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:29,839 i'll get a smell like uh like my dad's 1149 00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:32,160 cigarettes when i was a kid or something 1150 00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:34,000 like that or i'll get a smell of like my 1151 00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:36,000 grandpa's aftershave or something 1152 00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:38,720 strange like that and so in my mind i'll 1153 00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:40,880 visualize in deep meditation that i'll 1154 00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:41,760 go 1155 00:40:46,870 --> 00:40:44,400 into this specific waiting room 1156 00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:46,880 and then i'll kind of 1157 00:40:51,109 --> 00:40:49,680 do like a a reverse remote viewing type 1158 00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:51,119 thing where i 1159 00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:52,400 basically project 1160 00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:54,960 my consciousness out with an imagination 1161 00:40:59,109 --> 00:40:57,440 like imagine like you're on google earth 1162 00:41:01,910 --> 00:40:59,119 and you're saying this is right where 1163 00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:01,920 i'm at i'm sitting in my backyard i'm 1164 00:41:05,829 --> 00:41:03,599 sitting under the tree 1165 00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:05,839 and on earth this is i'm in the state of 1166 00:41:09,670 --> 00:41:08,000 utah and i'm down here in the desert if 1167 00:41:11,589 --> 00:41:09,680 you looked at me from outer space this 1168 00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:11,599 is right where you'd see me sitting you 1169 00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:13,839 know and but i'll sometimes even do that 1170 00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:16,400 out into kind of like uh even like what 1171 00:41:19,030 --> 00:41:18,160 you'd consider the spirit realm where 1172 00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:19,040 maybe 1173 00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:20,640 ghosts would exist or like a dead 1174 00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:22,319 ancestor or whatever 1175 00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:24,640 and so i'll just kind of follow that 1176 00:41:28,069 --> 00:41:26,240 feeling and open up to that and my 1177 00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:28,079 perceptions up to it and then what 1178 00:41:31,589 --> 00:41:30,160 happens is you'll get surprised because 1179 00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:31,599 the whole time 1180 00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:33,599 you're visualizing and imagining and 1181 00:41:38,470 --> 00:41:35,760 you're controlling it all like kind of 1182 00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:38,480 like a lucid dream so you're imagining 1183 00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:40,800 this room but you're holding it 1184 00:41:44,550 --> 00:41:42,960 completely within your own mind and 1185 00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:44,560 visualization 1186 00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:50,309 you find yourself standing by a river 1187 00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:52,800 you're i i didn't visualize this or i'm 1188 00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:55,280 in the desert or i'm by the beach by the 1189 00:42:00,309 --> 00:41:58,079 ocean or i'm in a garden and 1190 00:42:02,309 --> 00:42:00,319 i didn't do this i didn't imagine this 1191 00:42:04,710 --> 00:42:02,319 how did i get here so there's suddenly 1192 00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:04,720 like this stepping out or clicking out 1193 00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:06,400 experience that occurs where you find 1194 00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:09,520 yourself still very vividly imagining 1195 00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:10,640 but you're not 1196 00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:13,200 dreaming and you're not the one choosing 1197 00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:15,280 where you're at anymore now suddenly you 1198 00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:17,680 find yourself in this new place so it's 1199 00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:19,440 like you're in a dream 1200 00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:21,920 but it's very vivid and the entire time 1201 00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:23,119 in the back of your mind your 1202 00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:24,720 consciousness is saying 1203 00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:26,800 hey i'm where is this you know so 1204 00:42:30,150 --> 00:42:28,480 there's the dialogue and the awareness 1205 00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:30,160 just like when you're awake like normal 1206 00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:31,280 day to day 1207 00:42:35,510 --> 00:42:33,520 and then within that realm 1208 00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:35,520 sometimes it's very strange and 1209 00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:38,560 phenomenal or ghostly or science fiction 1210 00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:40,160 like like a 1211 00:42:44,309 --> 00:42:42,480 weird 1212 00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:44,319 laboratory type environment science like 1213 00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:45,920 a sci-fi type 1214 00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:48,480 weird place alien feeling you know and 1215 00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:50,960 then different people or entities or 1216 00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:54,160 like spirit forms or whatever will 1217 00:42:57,510 --> 00:42:55,760 sometimes present themselves or 1218 00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:57,520 sometimes it's just like a feeling or a 1219 00:43:01,990 --> 00:42:59,440 message or sometimes they'll just step 1220 00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:02,000 right out and have a whole blown 1221 00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:03,680 conversation with you or an interaction 1222 00:43:07,109 --> 00:43:05,359 with you and then and then when it's 1223 00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:07,119 over it's kind of over and i'll step 1224 00:43:11,270 --> 00:43:09,040 back out of the waiting room process it 1225 00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:11,280 all and then i'm back out sitting in my 1226 00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:13,119 backyard and i write it down in my 1227 00:43:16,630 --> 00:43:15,599 journal and try to figure it out 1228 00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:16,640 but 1229 00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:18,880 yeah that kind of stuff happens 1230 00:43:24,630 --> 00:43:20,960 when you get into it 1231 00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:24,640 and you are careful with it 1232 00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:26,640 you can have lots of different kinds of 1233 00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:28,400 uh experiences like that i think a lot 1234 00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:30,640 of ancient people considered those sorts 1235 00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:33,040 of shamanistic type approaches to the 1236 00:43:37,030 --> 00:43:34,640 phenomenon 1237 00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:37,040 like an oracle or a visionary experience 1238 00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:38,319 they treated them 1239 00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:41,200 fully like a real dimension of reality 1240 00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:43,520 or aspects of your own subconscious and 1241 00:43:46,470 --> 00:43:44,800 that was 1242 00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:46,480 i mean there's whole religions built off 1243 00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:48,480 of that kind of stuff but i just do it 1244 00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:50,640 for my own exploration i don't get 1245 00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:52,560 sucked into it even when i have 1246 00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:54,800 experiences where i feel like my my 1247 00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:56,640 deceased father appears and talks to me 1248 00:44:00,630 --> 00:43:58,480 for a while i always come out of that 1249 00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:00,640 and i and i'm skeptical and i was like i 1250 00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:03,280 don't know is that just my own self 1251 00:44:07,589 --> 00:44:04,720 working through my own issues in a 1252 00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:07,599 visualized space is this some sort of a 1253 00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:09,920 trickster entity trying to get into my 1254 00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:11,680 subconscious or trying to invade my 1255 00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:13,920 space pretending to be my dad or is 1256 00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:16,720 there something to it is it is it my my 1257 00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:18,400 father you know and he's coming and 1258 00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:20,480 somehow i'm creating a dimensional space 1259 00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:22,640 for him to interact but yeah i've had 1260 00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:25,040 some very strange 1261 00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:26,560 energetic 1262 00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:28,880 anomalous beings kind of alien form 1263 00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:30,720 encounters and 1264 00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:34,880 what people would consider like past 1265 00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:36,880 life experiences where i 1266 00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:38,960 spent a time looking at my hands and 1267 00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:40,800 running around as if i was somebody else 1268 00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:42,560 and even looked in the mirror looked in 1269 00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:43,920 the mirror and looked like a different 1270 00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:46,480 person and everything but 1271 00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:48,160 yeah are they are they dreams are they 1272 00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:50,800 subconscious realms or what but it seems 1273 00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:52,319 like you know the government studies 1274 00:44:57,270 --> 00:44:54,319 this stuff and has the whole 1275 00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:57,280 stargate program remote viewing program 1276 00:45:01,109 --> 00:44:59,200 and they treat this like it's an actual 1277 00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:01,119 legitimate phenomenon to reality when 1278 00:45:05,190 --> 00:45:02,880 you control it and you learn it 1279 00:45:07,270 --> 00:45:05,200 absolutely man that was on my list there 1280 00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:07,280 remote viewing i wanted to yeah you 1281 00:45:09,829 --> 00:45:08,720 touched upon it perfectly that's 1282 00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:09,839 incredible 1283 00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:11,760 so yeah so let's let's bring it right up 1284 00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:13,200 to now the here and now with this 1285 00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:14,400 subject that we 1286 00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:15,839 has brought us all together which is 1287 00:45:20,790 --> 00:45:18,640 ufos uap so yeah 1288 00:45:22,390 --> 00:45:20,800 how do you see the current climate of 1289 00:45:25,349 --> 00:45:22,400 things whether it be from the government 1290 00:45:28,230 --> 00:45:25,359 side the military side from our side as 1291 00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:28,240 researchers like how do you see it you 1292 00:45:32,309 --> 00:45:30,160 know because obviously it's just been 1293 00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:32,319 really escalated into a bit more of a 1294 00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:34,640 mainstream viewpoint where people are 1295 00:45:37,510 --> 00:45:36,160 really coming across it for the first 1296 00:45:39,109 --> 00:45:37,520 time but 1297 00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:39,119 how would you break it down with the way 1298 00:45:42,790 --> 00:45:40,400 things are going and how it could 1299 00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:42,800 possibly go over the next year to five 1300 00:45:48,069 --> 00:45:45,680 ten years or so 1301 00:45:50,069 --> 00:45:48,079 yeah i think it's long overdue and i 1302 00:45:52,950 --> 00:45:50,079 think it's just such a big topic that 1303 00:45:55,109 --> 00:45:52,960 disclosure's gonna it's like 1304 00:45:57,670 --> 00:45:55,119 one of those things that like uh 1305 00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:57,680 even if they give you a nugget 1306 00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:58,880 and they give you a little bit of a 1307 00:46:02,069 --> 00:46:00,400 disclosure and they say okay well we're 1308 00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:02,079 going to admit this these things are 1309 00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:03,359 happening 1310 00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:04,319 the 1311 00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:09,440 still 1312 00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:12,640 and 1313 00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:14,400 i think that is because like like we 1314 00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:16,240 started in this conversation it's so 1315 00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:18,720 dynamic if they say 1316 00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:20,800 yes there are 1317 00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:23,040 uh extraterrestrials coming from another 1318 00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:25,680 part of our universe out there then 1319 00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:27,599 people are gonna say well where and how 1320 00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:29,440 do we get how do we get there and where 1321 00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:32,240 do we go and then to say well that's not 1322 00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:34,319 all of it they're also here and they've 1323 00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:36,079 been here the whole time and they exist 1324 00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:38,000 in a blind spot to our perceptual 1325 00:46:42,309 --> 00:46:39,760 awareness and then everybody's going to 1326 00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:42,319 go what you know how do the you know and 1327 00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:43,119 then 1328 00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:45,119 suddenly we have to explain 1329 00:46:50,710 --> 00:46:48,240 our own human anatomy our own 1330 00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:50,720 human form abilities and limitations and 1331 00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:53,760 our perceptual uh limitations you know 1332 00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:56,480 um and the nature of reality itself all 1333 00:47:00,150 --> 00:46:58,240 of our science books might get thrown 1334 00:47:01,510 --> 00:47:00,160 out the window everything so i think 1335 00:47:03,430 --> 00:47:01,520 it's a real 1336 00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:03,440 challenge i feel like it's one of those 1337 00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:04,960 things that's like a giant pressure 1338 00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:06,079 cooker 1339 00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:07,920 that has built up 1340 00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:10,640 a pressure gauge feels maxed out 1341 00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:12,240 everybody's sick of it they want to 1342 00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:13,760 relieve the pressure they want to take 1343 00:47:17,829 --> 00:47:15,760 the lid off but all we get is this 1344 00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:17,839 little bleed valve 1345 00:47:21,430 --> 00:47:19,599 that they just let the pressure out just 1346 00:47:24,150 --> 00:47:21,440 enough to keep the needle off and to 1347 00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:24,160 keep the pressure off 1348 00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:26,240 but my hope is that through all this is 1349 00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:28,480 that little incremental movements and 1350 00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:30,400 disclosure 1351 00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:32,000 at this point because the pressure is 1352 00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:33,359 built up so much 1353 00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:34,400 leads to 1354 00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:36,960 huge improvements 1355 00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:39,920 spiritually and societally as a whole so 1356 00:47:43,990 --> 00:47:41,920 even if they say okay we're going to 1357 00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:44,000 admit that ufos are real 1358 00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:45,520 and then maybe 10 years from now they're 1359 00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:47,760 like we're beginning to understand and 1360 00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:50,480 master anti-gravity technology and 1361 00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:51,440 travel 1362 00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:53,520 even if they've already mastered 1363 00:47:59,190 --> 00:47:57,040 anti-gravity travel and devices and 1364 00:48:01,670 --> 00:47:59,200 you know over unity energy sources you 1365 00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:01,680 know uh things like that like free 1366 00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:03,920 energy 1367 00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:07,680 those tiny little announcements have 1368 00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:11,040 worldwide massive implications for the 1369 00:48:16,710 --> 00:48:13,520 entire economy and infrastructure and 1370 00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:16,720 jobs and everything so a little bit has 1371 00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:19,280 huge implications and so 1372 00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:20,880 i think that it's going to be a slow 1373 00:48:23,190 --> 00:48:22,240 bleed i think they're going to give a 1374 00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:23,200 little bit 1375 00:48:28,549 --> 00:48:26,880 going to get i think is still going to 1376 00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:28,559 create a huge 1377 00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:31,200 shift in the way that our we deal with 1378 00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:33,119 technology the way that we travel and 1379 00:48:36,630 --> 00:48:34,319 all of that so a little bit's going to 1380 00:48:38,309 --> 00:48:36,640 go a long ways and so i'm happy with it 1381 00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:38,319 yeah yeah that's awesome i'm just going 1382 00:48:40,950 --> 00:48:39,839 to jump back into something probably 1383 00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:40,960 relates more to what we were talking 1384 00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:42,559 about before but dragonfly has got this 1385 00:48:46,309 --> 00:48:44,400 really good question do you think sleep 1386 00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:46,319 paralysis is more than what the 1387 00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:48,640 scientific explanation tells us 1388 00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:49,520 yes 1389 00:48:53,570 --> 00:48:51,359 i uh absolutely 1390 00:48:55,270 --> 00:48:53,580 sleep paralysis to me is my friend 1391 00:48:57,190 --> 00:48:55,280 [Laughter] 1392 00:48:59,829 --> 00:48:57,200 most people in society today are 1393 00:49:02,309 --> 00:48:59,839 terrified because they stop at the 1394 00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:02,319 initiation of the paralysis when they 1395 00:49:05,430 --> 00:49:03,760 wake up and their 1396 00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:05,440 their consciousness is aware but their 1397 00:49:08,470 --> 00:49:07,520 bodies completely stuck and you can't 1398 00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:08,480 move 1399 00:49:11,510 --> 00:49:09,359 to me 1400 00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:11,520 that's always a launching point for me 1401 00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:15,119 that's a turning point to go in to this 1402 00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:16,960 to astral project or to out-of-body 1403 00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:19,280 travel to do some really phenomenal 1404 00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:21,440 spiritual meditative 1405 00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:24,000 uh dimensional work and so sleep 1406 00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:26,160 paralysis to me 1407 00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:28,800 uh in the beginning is terrifying if 1408 00:49:33,430 --> 00:49:30,880 you've ever had it i had it when i was a 1409 00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:33,440 little kid and didn't understand it 1410 00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:39,430 i've come to kind of 1411 00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:41,359 sit with my demons in the shadows and 1412 00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:43,440 the scary things in the dark and realize 1413 00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:45,200 my relationship with them 1414 00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:47,680 um but i do think that sleep paralysis 1415 00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:49,760 has a lot more to do with it than what 1416 00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:51,839 science says i don't think that 1417 00:49:56,309 --> 00:49:54,079 what's happening there is that your 1418 00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:56,319 body's getting stuck in some sort of a 1419 00:49:59,589 --> 00:49:58,079 sleep disorder and then your dreams are 1420 00:50:01,750 --> 00:49:59,599 bleeding out 1421 00:50:03,990 --> 00:50:01,760 into the bedroom i think that what's 1422 00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:04,000 happening is that 1423 00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:05,040 your 1424 00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:06,640 radio 1425 00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:09,680 your antenna when you fall asleep you 1426 00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:11,680 know switches into the static and you go 1427 00:50:17,829 --> 00:50:14,720 into this dream scape and sometimes you 1428 00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:17,839 can click into a different frequency of 1429 00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:19,119 perception 1430 00:50:23,109 --> 00:50:20,960 and actually 1431 00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:23,119 have that experience of like if you were 1432 00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:25,440 dead and step out of your body and go 1433 00:50:29,910 --> 00:50:27,040 around like a ghost but you're not 1434 00:50:32,549 --> 00:50:29,920 actually dead and there are entities 1435 00:50:35,030 --> 00:50:32,559 there there is a reality there there is 1436 00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:35,040 something to that uh that is a real 1437 00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:36,960 thing if you're interested in it i 1438 00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:38,880 highly recommend reading books by bob 1439 00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:41,599 monroe uh and 1440 00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:43,599 studying stuff at the monroe institute 1441 00:50:47,589 --> 00:50:45,359 again we're getting back to 1442 00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:47,599 the gateway institute uh 1443 00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:50,400 the gateway program remote viewing 1444 00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:52,400 the stargate program 1445 00:50:55,990 --> 00:50:54,480 ing swan and the and the psychic 1446 00:50:58,950 --> 00:50:56,000 research that the government did and all 1447 00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:58,960 of that but they initiate levels of 1448 00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:00,559 sleep paralysis and that's what you're 1449 00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:03,119 doing kind of in meditation practice too 1450 00:51:07,829 --> 00:51:04,960 you're you're not laying down and going 1451 00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:07,839 to bed and paralyzing yourself or and 1452 00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:09,599 stepping out of your body you're sitting 1453 00:51:14,069 --> 00:51:12,400 in a chair or laying down in the daytime 1454 00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:14,079 and entering altered states of 1455 00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:15,280 consciousness 1456 00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:17,280 and it's not that much different but i 1457 00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:19,520 think there's a nightmarish aspect to 1458 00:51:22,630 --> 00:51:20,880 sleep paralysis that people are 1459 00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:22,640 terrified of because it feels out of 1460 00:51:26,309 --> 00:51:24,640 their control it's not something they're 1461 00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:26,319 doing intentionally 1462 00:51:29,990 --> 00:51:28,160 but i would highly recommend anybody 1463 00:51:32,309 --> 00:51:30,000 struggling with sleep paralysis to read 1464 00:51:33,990 --> 00:51:32,319 william buellman's books he treats it 1465 00:51:35,750 --> 00:51:34,000 literally like it's a launching pad if 1466 00:51:37,829 --> 00:51:35,760 you wake up realize your body's 1467 00:51:39,190 --> 00:51:37,839 paralyzed it's like that's a good thing 1468 00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:39,200 because you're about to like do some 1469 00:51:43,750 --> 00:51:41,280 amazing stuff if you practice 1470 00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:43,760 like if you learn how to control your 1471 00:51:47,829 --> 00:51:46,079 your mind just like a lucid dreamer you 1472 00:51:50,470 --> 00:51:47,839 can take those opportunities and really 1473 00:51:52,870 --> 00:51:50,480 do some amazing things like you want to 1474 00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:52,880 talk about remote viewing talking about 1475 00:51:56,309 --> 00:51:54,880 by location remote viewing where it 1476 00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:56,319 feels like you're literally standing 1477 00:52:00,790 --> 00:51:57,839 there looking around 1478 00:52:03,030 --> 00:52:00,800 uh like you're literally there 1479 00:52:04,549 --> 00:52:03,040 you can feel it you're almost like 1480 00:52:06,630 --> 00:52:04,559 feel the rain you can smell it like 1481 00:52:07,990 --> 00:52:06,640 you're literally there um 1482 00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:08,000 i was that stuff that was done with the 1483 00:52:11,589 --> 00:52:10,079 government's um tests and stuff like 1484 00:52:12,870 --> 00:52:11,599 we're probably going back to the 70s in 1485 00:52:14,950 --> 00:52:12,880 the army when 1486 00:52:16,870 --> 00:52:14,960 talking about oh yeah i think yeah yeah 1487 00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:16,880 it's like goes back to this time during 1488 00:52:19,990 --> 00:52:18,400 the cold war when they realized that the 1489 00:52:21,589 --> 00:52:20,000 russians were doing a lot of psychic 1490 00:52:23,190 --> 00:52:21,599 research you know they were they found 1491 00:52:24,870 --> 00:52:23,200 out russians were trying to use their 1492 00:52:26,950 --> 00:52:24,880 mind and consciousness to give people 1493 00:52:28,950 --> 00:52:26,960 heart attacks and to strangle people to 1494 00:52:30,710 --> 00:52:28,960 do assassinations you know 1495 00:52:33,190 --> 00:52:30,720 and so the government set up this whole 1496 00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:33,200 team based on how put off and 1497 00:52:38,069 --> 00:52:35,280 and some of their stanford research 1498 00:52:40,630 --> 00:52:38,079 institute they got together and 1499 00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:40,640 were already doing consciousness studies 1500 00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:42,160 but they had a 1501 00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:45,200 a guy there that was named ingo swan 1502 00:52:49,109 --> 00:52:46,640 and he was 1503 00:52:51,349 --> 00:52:49,119 doing some crazy stuff where he would 1504 00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:51,359 meditate and he could move 1505 00:52:56,230 --> 00:52:53,680 uh pressure sensors inside of vacuum 1506 00:52:57,990 --> 00:52:56,240 chambers at military installations when 1507 00:53:01,589 --> 00:52:58,000 they were waiting for him to do so he 1508 00:53:03,270 --> 00:53:01,599 had actual like telepathic type results 1509 00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:03,280 that they measured and recorded there so 1510 00:53:07,349 --> 00:53:04,640 then the cia and the government 1511 00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:07,359 descended on stanford research institute 1512 00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:09,599 and they for like 20 years had a whole 1513 00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:11,119 government program 1514 00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:12,720 where they 1515 00:53:16,870 --> 00:53:14,400 for counterterrorism 1516 00:53:17,910 --> 00:53:16,880 for finding missing people 1517 00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:17,920 uh 1518 00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:19,920 finding you know broken arrows missing 1519 00:53:24,069 --> 00:53:22,000 nuclear weapons all kinds of stuff they 1520 00:53:26,309 --> 00:53:24,079 used remote viewing and psychic research 1521 00:53:28,549 --> 00:53:26,319 in order to do that so 1522 00:53:30,309 --> 00:53:28,559 yeah there's definitely something to it 1523 00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:30,319 that's awesome so listen with your 1524 00:53:33,990 --> 00:53:31,920 everyday you know obviously you're 1525 00:53:36,230 --> 00:53:34,000 really big on social medias and youtube 1526 00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:36,240 yourself and that do you still find time 1527 00:53:40,630 --> 00:53:38,880 to look into things and research further 1528 00:53:41,910 --> 00:53:40,640 into different areas of the things 1529 00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:41,920 you've talked about 1530 00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:43,680 today or anything else are you still 1531 00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:45,839 into that kind of thing yeah 1532 00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:47,920 yeah i follow it i think uh i think my 1533 00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:49,200 time working 1534 00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:51,440 online full time uh doing youtube and 1535 00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:53,280 stuff provides a big opportunity for me 1536 00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:55,200 because i i have a lot more time to set 1537 00:53:58,790 --> 00:53:57,359 my schedule i can actually work kind of 1538 00:54:00,870 --> 00:53:58,800 hard for like three four days and then 1539 00:54:01,829 --> 00:54:00,880 maybe take a week off so this whole 1540 00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:01,839 topic 1541 00:54:06,549 --> 00:54:04,000 is something that is like my real 1542 00:54:08,470 --> 00:54:06,559 passion i have my my youtube channel 1543 00:54:11,109 --> 00:54:08,480 that i do for like family entertainment 1544 00:54:13,030 --> 00:54:11,119 and fun that i do for a living and goof 1545 00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:13,040 around to not take life too serious but 1546 00:54:17,829 --> 00:54:14,400 it provides 1547 00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:17,839 the the life for me to be able to really 1548 00:54:22,790 --> 00:54:20,400 do what i love to do which is study the 1549 00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:22,800 nature of reality and consciousness and 1550 00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:25,440 these these mysteries like and to not be 1551 00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:27,520 afraid of them that's the thing is i i 1552 00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:29,680 think i grew up because of the religion 1553 00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:32,400 kind of scared of like demons afraid of 1554 00:54:36,390 --> 00:54:34,480 the devil afraid of like going to hell 1555 00:54:38,710 --> 00:54:36,400 and punishment and things like that and 1556 00:54:41,109 --> 00:54:38,720 now my relationship with all that shadow 1557 00:54:42,789 --> 00:54:41,119 work and all the scary stuff or aliens 1558 00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:42,799 or extraterrestrials is completely 1559 00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:45,839 changed uh and now it's i find i feel 1560 00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:47,520 like more like a 1561 00:54:51,270 --> 00:54:49,359 an explorer of consciousness and the 1562 00:54:53,990 --> 00:54:51,280 mysteries and stuff like uh 1563 00:54:55,510 --> 00:54:54,000 i enjoy it like a pioneer of it it's fun 1564 00:54:57,190 --> 00:54:55,520 to go on adventures 1565 00:54:58,950 --> 00:54:57,200 no that's good to hear man i'm glad that 1566 00:55:00,069 --> 00:54:58,960 you've balanced it and find time to be 1567 00:55:01,510 --> 00:55:00,079 able to do 1568 00:55:03,190 --> 00:55:01,520 things for yourself as well as things 1569 00:55:06,309 --> 00:55:03,200 for your family things to entertain 1570 00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:06,319 other people it's the perfect recipe for 1571 00:55:10,069 --> 00:55:08,240 for life really but i'm just gonna give 1572 00:55:11,510 --> 00:55:10,079 a quick shout out to my friend jason 1573 00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:11,520 turner good to see you here brother and 1574 00:55:15,750 --> 00:55:13,760 i love this comment this is why we spend 1575 00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:15,760 so much time in the woods camping it's 1576 00:55:19,510 --> 00:55:18,240 amazing amazingly your mental state 1577 00:55:22,230 --> 00:55:19,520 resets when you put down your 1578 00:55:23,670 --> 00:55:22,240 electronics and concept of time and 1579 00:55:25,670 --> 00:55:23,680 that's a brilliant statement i'm 1580 00:55:27,349 --> 00:55:25,680 actually going camping tomorrow for only 1581 00:55:29,510 --> 00:55:27,359 for two nights but 1582 00:55:31,349 --> 00:55:29,520 i feel like it's needed and it will give 1583 00:55:33,510 --> 00:55:31,359 me that just that little time away that 1584 00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:33,520 i need you know to reset recharge and 1585 00:55:37,030 --> 00:55:34,720 come back 1586 00:55:38,950 --> 00:55:37,040 monday feeling fresh vinnie we're 1587 00:55:41,270 --> 00:55:38,960 bombarded like every day you know you 1588 00:55:43,349 --> 00:55:41,280 walk around we talk about these unseen 1589 00:55:45,109 --> 00:55:43,359 realities that go on our blind spot but 1590 00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:45,119 you think about it as we're sitting here 1591 00:55:47,349 --> 00:55:46,240 right now 1592 00:55:50,710 --> 00:55:47,359 completely 1593 00:55:53,910 --> 00:55:50,720 swamped with 5g signals wi-fi signals 1594 00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:53,920 every radio signal and radio station is 1595 00:55:57,270 --> 00:55:56,079 literally pumping and flowing through 1596 00:55:59,910 --> 00:55:57,280 your body 1597 00:56:02,230 --> 00:55:59,920 right now every satellite signal 1598 00:56:03,910 --> 00:56:02,240 projection all of that is going through 1599 00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:03,920 the room and going right through your 1600 00:56:11,109 --> 00:56:07,520 body and if we think that that doesn't 1601 00:56:13,589 --> 00:56:11,119 slowly degrade and affect your 1602 00:56:16,230 --> 00:56:13,599 how you feel over time living in that 1603 00:56:18,150 --> 00:56:16,240 synthetic kind of alien environment you 1604 00:56:20,230 --> 00:56:18,160 know living sitting in front of a 1605 00:56:22,630 --> 00:56:20,240 computer in a cubicle all day but you 1606 00:56:25,349 --> 00:56:22,640 get out into nature near 1607 00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:25,359 the river or near like the trees and you 1608 00:56:31,030 --> 00:56:27,440 just sit and put all that aside and it 1609 00:56:34,150 --> 00:56:31,040 does it like it resets you energetically 1610 00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:34,160 like back to your natural harmony 1611 00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:35,680 i think there's definitely something to 1612 00:56:40,710 --> 00:56:38,880 that uh i think that's also why ancient 1613 00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:40,720 gurus in order to try and understand the 1614 00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:41,760 mysteries 1615 00:56:46,950 --> 00:56:44,960 go into isolation they a lot of you know 1616 00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:46,960 tibetan monks and things they go up into 1617 00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:49,040 mountains and they'll sit in a dark cave 1618 00:56:53,190 --> 00:56:51,359 complete sensory deprivation and they 1619 00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:53,200 did that even with the remote viewing 1620 00:56:57,910 --> 00:56:55,680 stuff they they end up you know putting 1621 00:57:00,549 --> 00:56:57,920 blindfolds on turning all the lights in 1622 00:57:01,829 --> 00:57:00,559 the room really dim or even to a red 1623 00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:01,839 colored hue 1624 00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:04,000 complete quiet and isolation and the 1625 00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:08,160 idea is yeah it's like we're completely 1626 00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:11,119 uh drowning and smothered in this 1627 00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:13,440 [\h__\h] day-to-day of these 1628 00:57:17,829 --> 00:57:16,160 foreign bombarded hijacked signals and 1629 00:57:19,109 --> 00:57:17,839 when you get out into the woods or out 1630 00:57:21,109 --> 00:57:19,119 into nature 1631 00:57:23,349 --> 00:57:21,119 you can feel it like all the way through 1632 00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:23,359 to your core just like even standing in 1633 00:57:28,710 --> 00:57:25,280 the ocean after a thunderstorm was like 1634 00:57:30,150 --> 00:57:28,720 you can feel it rejuvenate you i love it 1635 00:57:32,309 --> 00:57:30,160 here's a good question from my good 1636 00:57:33,430 --> 00:57:32,319 friend critical conspiracist good to see 1637 00:57:35,109 --> 00:57:33,440 you bro 1638 00:57:37,349 --> 00:57:35,119 in terms of potential consciousness 1639 00:57:38,549 --> 00:57:37,359 catalysts like psilocybin dmt and 1640 00:57:41,030 --> 00:57:38,559 ayahuasca 1641 00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:41,040 do you think carl we can expedite our 1642 00:57:45,589 --> 00:57:42,480 understanding through the reported 1643 00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:45,599 realms that they provide 1644 00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:47,520 uh definitely i think if it's safely 1645 00:57:53,829 --> 00:57:50,480 done i agree with that uh completely if 1646 00:57:55,510 --> 00:57:53,839 it's done i i don't agree doing it like 1647 00:57:56,710 --> 00:57:55,520 for fun and goofing around because 1648 00:57:59,510 --> 00:57:56,720 they're very 1649 00:58:02,309 --> 00:57:59,520 potent and powerful uh things that can 1650 00:58:04,150 --> 00:58:02,319 alter your perceptions of reality i 1651 00:58:05,589 --> 00:58:04,160 think even from the angle of 1652 00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:05,599 understanding 1653 00:58:09,589 --> 00:58:08,640 how we come into the world with a preset 1654 00:58:12,150 --> 00:58:09,599 lens 1655 00:58:13,510 --> 00:58:12,160 of how we perceive things and and and 1656 00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:13,520 kind of uh 1657 00:58:17,589 --> 00:58:15,520 distorting that or unraveling it or 1658 00:58:19,750 --> 00:58:17,599 shifting that lens if psilocybin can do 1659 00:58:21,990 --> 00:58:19,760 that to help us understand 1660 00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:22,000 then even for that reason i think it's 1661 00:58:27,430 --> 00:58:24,720 worth exploring because just we just 1662 00:58:29,510 --> 00:58:27,440 take for granted what that what we see 1663 00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:29,520 and how we see it and what we hear and 1664 00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:31,440 how we hear it is just the way that it 1665 00:58:34,950 --> 00:58:33,119 is and it's a fact 1666 00:58:37,349 --> 00:58:34,960 uh we don't 1667 00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:37,359 uh when you start to alter that you know 1668 00:58:40,549 --> 00:58:39,440 anybody who's gone into surgery and been 1669 00:58:43,190 --> 00:58:40,559 put under 1670 00:58:44,630 --> 00:58:43,200 anesthesia you kind of come out of that 1671 00:58:46,390 --> 00:58:44,640 scratching your head and wondering where 1672 00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:46,400 did i go 1673 00:58:50,069 --> 00:58:48,160 what happened during that time and i 1674 00:58:53,430 --> 00:58:50,079 think there's a lot to learn about who 1675 00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:53,440 we are as a soul as a consciousness 1676 00:58:57,510 --> 00:58:55,920 uh in reality and what reality is 1677 00:58:59,910 --> 00:58:57,520 actually made of 1678 00:59:01,589 --> 00:58:59,920 what's happening what's keeping it all 1679 00:59:03,910 --> 00:59:01,599 together and how to move through and 1680 00:59:06,309 --> 00:59:03,920 relate to reality i think can all be 1681 00:59:07,430 --> 00:59:06,319 understood a lot better by safely and 1682 00:59:09,670 --> 00:59:07,440 carefully 1683 00:59:11,349 --> 00:59:09,680 exploring that the only way to do it 1684 00:59:13,589 --> 00:59:11,359 is to either 1685 00:59:16,470 --> 00:59:13,599 open up somebody's skull and try to 1686 00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:16,480 study the meat or to understand 1687 00:59:21,510 --> 00:59:19,440 how that uh is influenced with different 1688 00:59:22,470 --> 00:59:21,520 electrical signals or with chemicals or 1689 00:59:25,829 --> 00:59:22,480 different altered states of 1690 00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:25,839 consciousness and so i i think taking 1691 00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:26,640 uh 1692 00:59:30,549 --> 00:59:28,720 you know natural 1693 00:59:32,230 --> 00:59:30,559 psilocybin and different types of things 1694 00:59:34,230 --> 00:59:32,240 that can affect our relationship with 1695 00:59:35,670 --> 00:59:34,240 reality off the table would be a mistake 1696 00:59:36,549 --> 00:59:35,680 i think it should definitely be looked 1697 00:59:38,710 --> 00:59:36,559 at 1698 00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:38,720 not played not played with but it should 1699 00:59:42,390 --> 00:59:40,400 definitely looked at yeah yeah 1700 00:59:44,150 --> 00:59:42,400 absolutely i i agree yeah it's not 1701 00:59:46,470 --> 00:59:44,160 something just to jump in like uh 1702 00:59:47,829 --> 00:59:46,480 expecting a bit of fun it's serious i'm 1703 00:59:49,990 --> 00:59:47,839 the kind of guy who's like i'm blown 1704 00:59:52,069 --> 00:59:50,000 away that we have we have entire rooms 1705 00:59:54,549 --> 00:59:52,079 in our houses devoted to going to sleep 1706 00:59:57,589 --> 00:59:54,559 at night we have whole beds and 1707 01:00:00,150 --> 00:59:57,599 mattresses rooms in our houses and every 1708 01:00:02,230 --> 01:00:00,160 single day every single one of us gets 1709 01:00:04,950 --> 01:00:02,240 to this point at the end of the day 1710 01:00:07,349 --> 01:00:04,960 where we just can't function properly 1711 01:00:10,069 --> 01:00:07,359 and we all have to go in like a zombie 1712 01:00:12,549 --> 01:00:10,079 and lay down in bed and shut down and 1713 01:00:14,789 --> 01:00:12,559 reset and wake back up and even just 1714 01:00:17,270 --> 01:00:14,799 studying that to me 1715 01:00:19,109 --> 01:00:17,280 deserves studying studying dreams 1716 01:00:21,109 --> 01:00:19,119 stuttering studying human consciousness 1717 01:00:22,470 --> 01:00:21,119 and lucid dreams like what is going why 1718 01:00:24,390 --> 01:00:22,480 does everyone 1719 01:00:26,309 --> 01:00:24,400 across the globe have to shut down and 1720 01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:26,319 go into a coma every night and then wake 1721 01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:28,559 back up like that's so strange to me 1722 01:00:33,510 --> 01:00:30,960 that we all just do that as a habit and 1723 01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:33,520 we don't question it you know so yeah i 1724 01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:35,280 think psilocybin should be studied i 1725 01:00:38,789 --> 01:00:36,960 think dreams should be studied i think 1726 01:00:40,630 --> 01:00:38,799 consciousness i think altered states of 1727 01:00:41,990 --> 01:00:40,640 consciousness it's the only way we're 1728 01:00:42,950 --> 01:00:42,000 going to understand what's actually 1729 01:00:45,190 --> 01:00:42,960 going on 1730 01:00:46,549 --> 01:00:45,200 no that's amazing that's so great well 1731 01:00:48,470 --> 01:00:46,559 listen carl we've just hit that hour 1732 01:00:50,230 --> 01:00:48,480 mark but before we wrap this up i just 1733 01:00:51,990 --> 01:00:50,240 want to know what is the future looking 1734 01:00:53,670 --> 01:00:52,000 like for yourself you know we're pretty 1735 01:00:54,950 --> 01:00:53,680 much coming out of a pandemic the 1736 01:00:57,270 --> 01:00:54,960 world's been pretty messed up for a 1737 01:00:58,789 --> 01:00:57,280 couple of years how's things with you 1738 01:01:00,789 --> 01:00:58,799 right now and where do you see yourself 1739 01:01:03,109 --> 01:01:00,799 going has have you reshifted your focus 1740 01:01:05,510 --> 01:01:03,119 anywhere or is it has it put you in a 1741 01:01:06,789 --> 01:01:05,520 different frame of mind like 1742 01:01:09,510 --> 01:01:06,799 what do you see what do you see right 1743 01:01:12,309 --> 01:01:09,520 now for yourself i would like to do a 1744 01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:12,319 lot more stuff with carl vibe i have the 1745 01:01:15,990 --> 01:01:14,400 the main family channel that i do for 1746 01:01:18,309 --> 01:01:16,000 the living that puts the bread on the 1747 01:01:20,630 --> 01:01:18,319 table carl vibe isn't monetized yet but 1748 01:01:23,430 --> 01:01:20,640 it's like it's my real passion i would 1749 01:01:25,829 --> 01:01:23,440 love if i if i fast forwarded five years 1750 01:01:28,069 --> 01:01:25,839 from now to just be doing this full time 1751 01:01:30,069 --> 01:01:28,079 yeah hanging out with you hanging out 1752 01:01:32,549 --> 01:01:30,079 with my friends doing the online show 1753 01:01:34,390 --> 01:01:32,559 but having it be a lot bigger 1754 01:01:37,030 --> 01:01:34,400 having it have a bigger impact and a lot 1755 01:01:39,190 --> 01:01:37,040 more people interested in the topic and 1756 01:01:41,510 --> 01:01:39,200 and just a rolodex of awesome guests 1757 01:01:44,390 --> 01:01:41,520 coming around you know everybody has 1758 01:01:46,789 --> 01:01:44,400 that kind of joe rogan dream 1759 01:01:48,870 --> 01:01:46,799 you know what i mean working from home 1760 01:01:50,549 --> 01:01:48,880 making a killing getting the sponsors 1761 01:01:53,190 --> 01:01:50,559 having tons of friends going to 1762 01:01:55,349 --> 01:01:53,200 conventions i would like this topic in 1763 01:01:57,029 --> 01:01:55,359 the awareness of disclosure 1764 01:01:58,710 --> 01:01:57,039 and even the you know the consciousness 1765 01:02:00,150 --> 01:01:58,720 side of things and the spiritual side of 1766 01:02:02,710 --> 01:02:00,160 it to be 1767 01:02:04,630 --> 01:02:02,720 my life to be what i actually do to come 1768 01:02:06,630 --> 01:02:04,640 into harmony with that i think i've kind 1769 01:02:08,549 --> 01:02:06,640 of grown out of the entertainment 1770 01:02:10,150 --> 01:02:08,559 youtube stuff a little bit i'm doing 1771 01:02:13,029 --> 01:02:10,160 that more just to pay the bills like a 1772 01:02:14,710 --> 01:02:13,039 job now but i feel like um 1773 01:02:16,549 --> 01:02:14,720 this kind of stuff is more like what i 1774 01:02:18,390 --> 01:02:16,559 need to do maybe i need to like 1775 01:02:20,150 --> 01:02:18,400 write a book or something to really put 1776 01:02:21,109 --> 01:02:20,160 a thumbtack in it i don't know but i'd 1777 01:02:21,910 --> 01:02:21,119 read it 1778 01:02:23,510 --> 01:02:21,920 yeah 1779 01:02:25,430 --> 01:02:23,520 but i don't know i'm a vid i like making 1780 01:02:26,789 --> 01:02:25,440 videos and so i just whenever i get sit 1781 01:02:28,390 --> 01:02:26,799 down to write i'm like i'll just turn 1782 01:02:31,109 --> 01:02:28,400 the camera on and just get it out it's 1783 01:02:33,109 --> 01:02:31,119 so much easier no absolutely i feel you 1784 01:02:34,710 --> 01:02:33,119 totally man but i mean i've been 1785 01:02:36,309 --> 01:02:34,720 following you for quite some time now 1786 01:02:37,750 --> 01:02:36,319 and i always enjoy coming across whether 1787 01:02:39,270 --> 01:02:37,760 it be your stories or your posts because 1788 01:02:40,069 --> 01:02:39,280 they have that calming effect they have 1789 01:02:42,549 --> 01:02:40,079 that 1790 01:02:44,950 --> 01:02:42,559 you know this guy is in a good place he 1791 01:02:47,190 --> 01:02:44,960 makes other people feel good and i just 1792 01:02:48,870 --> 01:02:47,200 love that vibe so 1793 01:02:50,390 --> 01:02:48,880 for anyone watching this video that 1794 01:02:53,029 --> 01:02:50,400 always expects me to be talking about 1795 01:02:54,390 --> 01:02:53,039 nuts and bolts ufos like 1796 01:02:55,750 --> 01:02:54,400 i was going to say sorry but i'm not 1797 01:02:58,069 --> 01:02:55,760 sorry because you know i'm just trying 1798 01:02:59,750 --> 01:02:58,079 to explore this whole thing as much as 1799 01:03:01,670 --> 01:02:59,760 as much as the next person i'm just so 1800 01:03:03,670 --> 01:03:01,680 happy to be doing it on a platform that 1801 01:03:04,710 --> 01:03:03,680 other people watch so you know 1802 01:03:07,670 --> 01:03:04,720 i think it's just going to be a 1803 01:03:09,029 --> 01:03:07,680 continuing learning curve for myself and 1804 01:03:11,589 --> 01:03:09,039 i think a lot of other people as well 1805 01:03:13,190 --> 01:03:11,599 that i speak to that i see across all 1806 01:03:14,390 --> 01:03:13,200 different networks social networks and 1807 01:03:15,190 --> 01:03:14,400 stuff so 1808 01:03:16,630 --> 01:03:15,200 yeah 1809 01:03:18,150 --> 01:03:16,640 carl listen 1810 01:03:19,670 --> 01:03:18,160 i i think we should do this again 1811 01:03:21,750 --> 01:03:19,680 sometime maybe even get some other folk 1812 01:03:24,069 --> 01:03:21,760 involved and do a panel yeah and bring 1813 01:03:26,069 --> 01:03:24,079 more people together but um 1814 01:03:27,750 --> 01:03:26,079 yeah i love talking about the sci-fi 1815 01:03:29,670 --> 01:03:27,760 part of it too the nuts and bolts the 1816 01:03:31,589 --> 01:03:29,680 science of it the physics of it the 1817 01:03:33,829 --> 01:03:31,599 toroidal energy of how they would fly 1818 01:03:35,910 --> 01:03:33,839 and why they appear like a disc like man 1819 01:03:38,549 --> 01:03:35,920 we can get into all that too we kind of 1820 01:03:39,910 --> 01:03:38,559 went like pseudo spiritual mystical 1821 01:03:41,829 --> 01:03:39,920 today and kind of understanding 1822 01:03:44,390 --> 01:03:41,839 consciousness but i think it's important 1823 01:03:46,789 --> 01:03:44,400 because like yes if these beings are 1824 01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:46,799 real they understand all this stuff 1825 01:03:50,870 --> 01:03:48,960 and they're they're utilizing it at a 1826 01:03:52,549 --> 01:03:50,880 higher level than us too so even the 1827 01:03:53,910 --> 01:03:52,559 spiritual side and the nature of reality 1828 01:03:55,750 --> 01:03:53,920 and consciousness 1829 01:03:57,270 --> 01:03:55,760 if they're able if they are even coming 1830 01:03:59,270 --> 01:03:57,280 from another planet 1831 01:04:01,190 --> 01:03:59,280 they probably understand that way better 1832 01:04:02,950 --> 01:04:01,200 than us and so all needs to be on the 1833 01:04:05,109 --> 01:04:02,960 table and we need to understand our own 1834 01:04:07,829 --> 01:04:05,119 shortcomings and limitations it's like 1835 01:04:09,910 --> 01:04:07,839 if we can't fathom what these things are 1836 01:04:13,029 --> 01:04:09,920 maybe the problem isn't like what they 1837 01:04:15,190 --> 01:04:13,039 are but with like our limited ability to 1838 01:04:16,549 --> 01:04:15,200 perceive them like what's wrong with our 1839 01:04:18,230 --> 01:04:16,559 functioning to where we can't see these 1840 01:04:20,870 --> 01:04:18,240 things and we're left scratching our 1841 01:04:23,589 --> 01:04:20,880 head trying to create infrared cameras 1842 01:04:24,470 --> 01:04:23,599 or ultraviolet systems to see these 1843 01:04:26,309 --> 01:04:24,480 things 1844 01:04:28,390 --> 01:04:26,319 and uh ultimately there's a lot of 1845 01:04:30,630 --> 01:04:28,400 people sitting and 1846 01:04:32,630 --> 01:04:30,640 meditating and they are seeing them and 1847 01:04:33,910 --> 01:04:32,640 they are encountering them and it's not 1848 01:04:35,349 --> 01:04:33,920 what you think 1849 01:04:36,630 --> 01:04:35,359 absolutely 1850 01:04:39,029 --> 01:04:36,640 i'm just gonna show this comment here 1851 01:04:41,910 --> 01:04:39,039 look it's priscilla guy he said toroidal 1852 01:04:44,630 --> 01:04:41,920 toroidal that's a yeah taurus energy 1853 01:04:46,069 --> 01:04:44,640 everything is functions i think uh i 1854 01:04:48,710 --> 01:04:46,079 think you and priscilla would get on 1855 01:04:50,549 --> 01:04:48,720 very well yes yeah i think maybe we 1856 01:04:52,789 --> 01:04:50,559 should uh invite her to another 1857 01:04:55,430 --> 01:04:52,799 discussion in the future for part two of 1858 01:04:57,829 --> 01:04:55,440 this conversation for sure something 1859 01:05:00,150 --> 01:04:57,839 should be a panel discussion but listen 1860 01:05:01,270 --> 01:05:00,160 carl thank you so much brother for today 1861 01:05:04,789 --> 01:05:01,280 i 1862 01:05:06,710 --> 01:05:04,799 my face 1863 01:05:08,870 --> 01:05:06,720 i'm lifted right now so thank you so 1864 01:05:10,950 --> 01:05:08,880 much man i really appreciate it thanks 1865 01:05:13,430 --> 01:05:10,960 vinnie so listen you enjoy the rest of 1866 01:05:14,950 --> 01:05:13,440 your day and everyone else thank you so 1867 01:05:17,670 --> 01:05:14,960 much for watching it means the world you 1868 01:05:20,150 --> 01:05:17,680 know i'm just exploring 1869 01:05:21,589 --> 01:05:20,160 other aspects of this phenomenon that we 1870 01:05:23,190 --> 01:05:21,599 are yet to fully understand and 1871 01:05:25,589 --> 01:05:23,200 comprehend so you know for everyone 1872 01:05:27,349 --> 01:05:25,599 watching this or watch this that 1873 01:05:29,270 --> 01:05:27,359 didn't expect this or doesn't like it 1874 01:05:30,950 --> 01:05:29,280 i'm sorry but this is what we're doing 1875 01:05:32,950 --> 01:05:30,960 we're all trying to learn right now and 1876 01:05:34,710 --> 01:05:32,960 um i think it just 1877 01:05:35,589 --> 01:05:34,720 it's good to open your mind and expand 1878 01:05:40,309 --> 01:05:35,599 your 1879 01:05:41,829 --> 01:05:40,319 new people and things like that so guys 1880 01:05:44,630 --> 01:05:41,839 thank you so much for watching and i